Nothing about middle east conflicts is close to black and white. I’d recommend you read up on it.
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Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months agoPalestine is far more black and white than Ukraine. Unless committing Genocide in a concentration camp seems fine to you.
jmsy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Imagine saying a literal Nazi style Genocide is not black and white.
jmsy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Godwin’s Law strikes again. The sure sign that someone has run out of logic for an argument
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Are you denying israel is committing Genocide?
Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Just stop. This conflict has been going on for ages and is so complex, people have to actually study this shit to even remotely understand it.
Russia just fucked Ukraine.
All of this aside, the comparison of the two headlines is just dumb. The left side was from 2023, right after it happened. This was the official statement back then. What should they have written instead? They even used quotation marks. Fucking hell.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You understand neither conflict and speak of it as if you do.
There was never a Hamas base found in al Shiva that was a lie. The left headline is Zionist propaganda from the Guardian.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Nothing about middle east conflicts
Spoken like a true racist, grouping up “middle east conflicts” as if it was a single entity.
Pretty easy actually, Palestinians were there living their lives and having a sense of nationality as Palestinians since the latter years of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists decided they didn’t care about that, decided they deserved their ancestral homeland, and western countries helped them militarily to relocate hundreds of thousands of people and murder tens of thousands on top. It’s almost quite literally that easy.
jmsy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m Iranian, and there’s no hope of going home any time soon. It’s perfectly acceptable to lump the middle east in that statement. Show me one conflict in that region that’s not black and white.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Show me one conflict in that region that’s not black and white.
I assume you mean the opposite. I’ll bring you one about your own country.
In the Mosaddegh era, a democratically elected, secular, progressive, leftist leader was well on the way of successful policy for Iranians through the nationalization of the oil industry which, up until then, as you probably know better than I do, was extracted by the British Petroleum with the knowledge and approval of the Shah (thanks to some juicy “contributions” to his personal fortune paid by the British), leaving almost no profit from the Iranian oil to the Iranian people. The British blockaded Iran militarily, and through MI6, with help of CIA, staged false-flag attacks on private businesses through paid actors who pretended to be communists (the party was in Mosaddegh’s coalition). They literally bribed local mafias and gave them loudspeakers to pretend they were popular protests to prime people. And the poverty induced by the military economical blockade, summed up with all this shit and much more, made it so that the Mosaddegh government was deposed and the status-quo was more or less restored, and British Petroleum was happy.
Tell me how that’s not black and white.
Freefall@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That isn’t how racism works…is racist turning into the left version of “woke”? His comment wasn’t even out of ignorance, that is what that area is referred to, and nothing about conflicts in that area (including the topic at hand) is black and white…
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Grouping up a whole set of countries, ethnicities, histories and conflicts into a “middle east” category and call treating it all as a homogenous “non-black and white” issue is racist, sorry.
nothing about conflicts in that area (including the topic at hand) is black and white
Thank you for ignoring the inconvenient part of my previous comment. Please tell me how the first Nakba isn’t black and white.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Spoken like a true racist, grouping up “middle east conflicts” as if it was a single entity.
most people would do the same for general geographic regions though.
If it were a war between germany and france for example, it would be referred to as a “western” war. Russia vs China would be eastern for example.
Most of these wars are culturally related, especially in the middle east where they seem to have a particular style of warfare, it only seems fair to refer to it as “middle eastern” arguably, the only one that isn’t really doing this style of warfare here is israel. Though they clearly have reservations on morals.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Wow, funny, I didn’t hear the bombing of Yugoslavia and its disintegration, the invasion of Ukraine, and similar conflicts in Europe ever called altogether “European issues”, but separated very well individually.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
far more black and white? What in the ever living fuck are you talking about?
Ukraine was literally legally guaranteed that russia wouldn’t invade them, after taking their nuclear weapons. Russia LITERALLY broke this agreement. How much more black and white can you get than quite literally going against what you’ve said?
skozzii@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Care to explain it if it’s so simple? You have no idea what your talking about…
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Simple:
The whole “so difficult conflict which goes so far back that it’s impossible to know who’s guilty at this point”, starts in the late 40s with the invasion of Palestinian land by Zionist settlers, and the violent displacement of 750.000+ locals.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Freefall@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Holdup! The Israilies are trying to create the aryan race and kill all Jews? Man…it really IS complicated!
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Israel is white supremacists trying to kill brown people and expand their Lebensraum.
So complicated.
lostinfog@reddthat.com 2 months ago
You must be literal genius
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 months ago
Okay, so Russia Invaded Ukraine. Russia is the Aggressor.
The Hamas attacked Israel, so Israel exterminates Palestine and claims it wants to exterminate the Hamas. The Hamas have committed Warcrimes and hides the self behind Civilians and the IDF does a whole lot of warcrimes too. Both sides are shirt, just the IDF has done a bit more shit than the Hamas. Theres no good side in this conflict. Both sides want to exterminate each other and sacrifice the Palestinian civilians for this.
I don’t know where you see a more black and white scheme in the middle east conflict than in the Ukraine war, but I’m willing to read your explanation.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You appear to forget 75 years of israel invading Palestine. And putting Palestinians in a concentration camp.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 months ago
And 75 Years of the Hamas Attacking Israel. Israel has killed much more Palestinians that the other way around, but its still more complicated than The Ukraine war.
Zengen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There was no nation of israel before Israel committed mass murder and near genocide on the Palestinian people. Then they shoved them into the concentration camp of Gaza. Made them.wear special green badges just like the Nazis made them wear the star of David arm bands. They make Palestinian people walk on the opposite side of the street in many places. They do not have the same rights to life liberty or property that Jews have. The Israelis were the first aggressors. And have continued almost 100 years of brutalization against the civilian people. The Israelis are no better than the Nazis that they fled from and in my opinion are not deserving of a nation of their own.
bartolomeo@suppo.fi 2 months ago
Hamas hasn’t been around for 75 years.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Ukraine has also been attacking russian troops since the beginning of the invasion, what’s your point?
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hamas has not existed for 75 years. It is born as a resistance movement against Genocide.
skozzii@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Dude they have been fighting for the whole time and for every bad thing Isreal has done Hamas has done one back.
Ever heard of the saying “and eye for an eye and the whole world is blind”. Well both sides are blind now.
The only correct take is that both sides suck and the palastenian people are the ones who suffer. To take a side in this conflict is uninformed, as both sides have way too much blood on their hands. This is very far from black and white and simple.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is just blatantly false. You don’t know anything about the history.
What was the 2018 march to return? Only one side is seeking peace. And israel only seeks destruction.
This Genocide is what israel has been doing for over 75 years.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Damn, that’s disgusting. I’ll rephrase it in terms that hopefully will make you understand why it’s disgusting: “Ukraine has been fighting back the invasion the whole time, and for every bad thing Russia has done, Ukraine has done one back”
What are Palestinians supposed to do? Peacefully accept being relocated and murdered by the hundreds of thousands? Should Ukrainians just have given up? Is Ukraine wrong for targeting infrastructure inside Russia with explosive unmanned air vehicles now?
One side has blood on their hands because it’s the invader, the other has blood on their hands because it’s the invaded. This is the most stupid take I’ve seen.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
75 years of history that quite literally nullifies it being black and white, because history, as well understood by historians, only makes things more clearly visible, obviously.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
75 years of Genocide makes it pretty black and white to me.
bartolomeo@suppo.fi 2 months ago
And helping Hamas get into power in order to
If you want to see what happens when Palestinians cooperate with Israel, look at the West Bank:
apnews.com/a-look-at-how-settlements-have-grown-i…