Yes everyone should recognize Palestine.
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cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 months agoAlso denial of the existence of israel is now forbidden in Germany and on Meta platforms. Free speech btw.
Maybe it’s just me, but calling for the eradication of a country is bad (controversial take, I know)
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 months ago
cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
I agree, but not a Palestine that occupies 100% of Israel.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Israel does not exist.
If israel wants to exist it can accept a two state solution with Palestine right now.
You do not get to decide whether a colony is a country. The natives do.
cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Israel is not a country.
OK I’m done with this conversation lmao
CybranM@feddit.nu 4 months ago
Is the US a country? Is Australia a country? I doubt the natives decided they were. Very weird way to define a country, regardless of your thoughts on Israel / Palestine
Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 months ago
Calling for the eradication of a religious ethnostate that engages in genocide and colonialism is surprisingly a good thing.
Or would you think it was bad the world eradicated Nazi Germany?
cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
That’s an excellent historical analogy — too bad you’ve misunderstood it. Germany was not dissolved after WW2, and its population was not thrown to the wolves. We only replaced their government. I agree that Likud needs to go (ideally to the Hague) but the people here wanting to wipe the country from the map are dangerous lunatics.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 months ago
The countries of East and West Germany would like a word with you. The state of Nazi Germany very clearly ceased to exist.
cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
The division was because the winners couldn’t coexist, not because Germany inherently needed to be split. The whole thing could have been treated like West Germany.
Miaou@jlai.lu 4 months ago
What? No it did not. What are you even trying to say?
Flyswat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Zionists are not following Judaism. If you ask jewish people living in occupied Palestine they’ll tell you they are in exile and are not allowed to have their country until the arrival of the Messiah, that they are simply living in that land that belongs to whoever ot belonged to.
Zionists om the other hand are imperialist colonisers who took the land from its owners. So asking for the land to return to its rightful owners is legitimate, and this translates to the end of the existance of the state created on wrongfully seized land.
This should not be conflated with eradicating the people. The people could live there with the local Muslims, Christians and Jews as they did before. Although I know we don’t live in a fairy tale. If the occupying state is dismantled, how can one live peacefully with the people who tortured you, your family and society for decades and made your life hell…
Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That’s a tiny minority sect of Jews in Israel, a majority of jews in Israel support the existence of Israel, that’s why they’re there.
A majority of Jews in the U.S. and globally also support the existence of Israel.
Flyswat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
I’ll edit the link to mention these are orthodox jews who were interviewed.
I didn’t know how few are the Jews who actually heed their religion.
To be noted regarding Pew’s poll is that the number of those who believe that the land was promised to the Jews does not say whether they believe they should be owning it now or it shall only become theirs once the Messiah comes.
WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 4 months ago
South Africa pulled it off. But yes, it basically required dismantling the state completely from what it was. South Africa as it existed before and after apartheid are essentially different states with the same name. They got a new Constitution and everything. They still have a lot of problems with the white population having a majority of the land and money, but there’s nowhere near the violence there was beforehand. Everyone mostly lives in peace together now. It can be done.
0x0@programming.dev 4 months ago
So, per your words, jewish people are zionists who use religion as an excuse to occupy a land that is not theirs (and keep expanding with more settlers every chance they get). Also, isn’t israel supposed to be their god given country? Why would they leave?
Flyswat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
No, what I said is that Zionism opposes Judaism. Zionists seemingly are not religious but twist what the religion says to enact their colonial goals.
0x0@programming.dev 4 months ago
So, per your words, jewish people are zionists who use religion as an excuse to occupy a land that is not theirs (and keep expanding with more settlers every chance they get). Also, isn’t israel supposed to be their god given country? Why would they leave?