Comment on Poor Sega just didn't get the timing right.

• Redkey@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Problem is, you could pirate every single game on dreamcast. Just get a legit copy of the game (renting, buying and returning, borrow from a friend), and have a CD burner.

  Then you could make a 1:1 copy of the game in roughly an hour.

  You make it sound trivial. While Sega left a security hole open for games to be loaded from a regular CD, the official games were released on GD-ROMs, a dual-layer CD with a 1.2 GB capacity.

  So first off, you couldn’t read them completely in a regular CD-ROM or even DVD-ROM drive. (I’m not counting the “swap” method because it’s failure-prone and involves partially dismantling the drive and fiddling with it during operation.) You had to connect your console to a computer and use some custom software to read the GD-ROM on the console, and send the data over.

  Once you had the data, you then had the problem of trying to fit a potentially 1.2 GB GD-ROM image onto a regular CD-ROM. A handful of games were actually small enough to fit already, and 80-minute and 99-minute CD-Rs would work in the DC and could store larger games. But for many games, crackers had to modify the game files to make them fit.

  Often they would just strip all the music first, because that was an easy way to save a decent amount of space. Then if that wasn’t enough, they would start stripping video files, and/or re-encoding audio and textures at lower fidelity.

  Burning a CD-R from a downloaded file was easy, but ripping the original discs and converting them to a burnable image generally was not.

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• booly@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  you could go to your local library and carry a USB stick.

  I don’t remember it this way. Nothing else came close to the portable storage capacity of CD (and thus CD-R and CD-RW). The iomega zip drive was still a popular medium, allowing rewritable 100mb or 250mb cartridge. That was the preferred way to get big files to and from a computer lab when I was an engineering student in 2000.

  USB flash drives had just been released in 2000, and their capacity was measured in like 8/16/32mb, nowhere near enough to meaningfully move CD images.

  Then again, as a college student with on-campus broadband on the completely unregulated internet (back when HTTP and the WWW weren’t necessarily considered the most important protocols on the internet), it was all about shared FTP logins PMed over IRC to download illegal shit. The good stuff never touched an actual website.

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  • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I remember similarly. I was going to say that thumb drives weren’t even invented until 2005-2006, but I looked it up and they were invented in 1999. I guess I forgot that those tiny ones even existed since I was doing all my external storage on DVD-R or CD-RW.

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    • BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I still have the lanyard to my 128 MB PNY Attaché.

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      • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think my first one was 512 MB, but I don’t have it anymore.

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• frezik@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m not sure where you’re getting that Nintendo sells at a loss. They don’t have amazing margins on hardware, but they don’t like selling at a loss. IIRC, commodity prices and a price drop meant the GameCube was briefly sold at a loss, but it wasn’t long, and it wasn’t by much.

  Whatever else you can say about Nintendo, they are really good at managing manufacturing costs.

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• Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why did the playstation not have the same piracy problem?

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  • frezik@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s a little wiggle track burned into PSX discs that’s impossible to duplicate with burners, and it won’t boot up unless it sees that. There’s workarounds that eventually came out, but console copy protection doesn’t have to last forever. It only has to last most of its primary life until the next gen comes out, and PSX managed that.

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    • themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Everyone knew a shady guy who promised to mod your PlayStation to play burned games, but few wanted to risk turning their console into a brick.

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      • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Unless you lived where the Playstation wasn’t officially released, then every console come modded and ready to play pirate games!

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  • Redkey@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They did, but apparently everyone has forgotten how prevalent swap discs and modchips were.

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    • booly@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They did, eventually. The first PlayStation was relatively easy to pirate for (with a mod chip), but it took a while for that stuff to become available. Someone had to go and manufacture the chips, or reverse engineer the check.

      By the time that scene matured, Sega released the Dreamcast right into a more sophisticated piracy scene that could apply lessons learned to the Dreamcast right away.

      On paper, Sega had more sophisticated copy protection than the first PlayStation did. But it also released 4 years later.

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• Venator@lemmy.nz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Was probably more likely just that they couldn’t afford the initial loss anymore because the lenders or shareholders got scared of the PS2 and xbox when they were announced.

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