It can do that now. Probably not with zero driver interventions especially when talking about a trip across the country but Tesla is the only vehicle manufacturer today that offers this capability. There’s a dude on YouTube doing ridesharing with Tesla using FSD and with the latest software version it completes 90% of the trips from the pickup to the destination without intervention from the driver.
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Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 months agoMusk defined it himself, as being able to drive from a parking lot across the country to pick you up in another parking lot.
Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It can do that now.
OK?
Probably not with zero driver interventions
Oh so it can’t.
Musk also said more safely than a human being. I’ve seen videos with FSD creating numerous dangerous situations on a single trip, that required intervention. Suddenly turning into opposite traffic, not minding right of way in crosses, and even turning straight towards parked cars, when the lane it was in was unobstructed!!
There is no way it can be reasonably argued that Tesla has working full self driving.
Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I don’t see anyone claiming they have “working full self driving”. That’s a strawman argument. Their system is really good and years ahead of competition but there’s still a shit ton to improve. That’s why it’s classified as level 2 and not level 3. It’s a vehicle capable of driving itself under supervision but it’s not a self driving vehicle.
I’ve seen videos with FSD creating numerous dangerous situations on a single trip
In the past few months? Because the current software version is completely different than what it used to be. They’ve moved entirely from human code to neural nets and it made a giant improvement in its performance.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I don’t see anyone claiming they have “working full self driving”
The whole thread is about Musk claiming in 2019 that Tesla has FSD working NOW, that could drive the car from a parking lot on the other side of the country (USA) and pick you up in a parking lot where you are. AND that it could drive more safely than a human being.
I am not interested in the slightest whether it 50 or 90% there now, the fact is the claim was made firast in 2016, that Tesla would have it ready NEXT YEAR, and in 2019 hwe claimed it was ready NOW! And it STILL not ready!!So what is it about Musks claims being false you don’t understand.
racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
“Their system is really good and years ahead of competition but there’s still a shit ton to improve”
Is it years ahead of the competition? I thought the consensus was that Tesla is far behind, hence why Mercedes is the first brand to actually have some basic level 3 automomus driving actually to customers, and companies other than tesla are actually doing tests with robo taxis. Tesla is good at claiming it can do the above, other companies are the ones actually doing it.
And indeed, there’s a shit ton to improve, which directly contradicts statements Elon Musk made, and keeps making. As others already pointed out, calling it Full Self Driving while letting it do that is basically suicide is just the beginning. Elon Musk regularly repeating that it’s there, it works etc… only to leave customers waiting for nearly 8 years now with a system that is not what Elon described, etc…
Self driving is really hard, Tesla made some good progress on it, but Elon continuously lying about it should indeed get legal consequences. I’m hope this lawsuit teaches him to actually talk about things he actually knows are true, and not just what he wishes was true.
efstajas@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I don’t see anyone claiming they have “working full self driving”
… They’re literally calling it “Full self driving”.
PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 4 months ago
and they could do that in theory, just not very safely
Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 months ago
In theory is not the same as actually being able to do it, which was what he clearly claimed saying: And we can do that NOW.
PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Its only not possible on consumer models because of restrictions put in place by tesla.
As evidenced by Elon mode
A tesla can drive its self, but it doesnt because of regulatory/safety/liability reasons
Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 months ago
No it was not, we have testimony from employees that FSD wasn’t even close to what Musk claimed. And it can’t even do it today.
Just because you can flip a switch that says FSD doesn’t mean it works.
Meansalladknifehands@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Are you debating just to debate, or do you just fail to see the obvious issue?