Comment on Proton Mail Discloses User Data Leading to Arrest in Spain

CaptObvious@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• Jako301@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Proton upheld their claim of privacy, no Emails were disclosed. But they never promised anonymity cause that’s something they simply can’t do under the Swiss law. If you willingly give them your other mail addresses or contact details, they have to comply. Sure they could have denied the Spanish authorities, but it takes less than a week to get a court order for things like this.

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  • CaptObvious@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And if they didn’t require that secondary email address or would allow a temporary, they would have had nothing to give in the first place.

    Proton aren’t the victim here.

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    • Alk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      They don’t require a secondary email address.

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      • Baku@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        They do in certain cases. If you sign up through a VPN or Tor, they require you to provide a recovery email. They don’t accept temporary email addresses, and even if you don’t sign up work a VPN, they’ll still collect and be obligated to hand over your IP

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    • kingster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Proton doesn’t require a recovery email.

      Proton isn’t the victim, but they aren’t at fault either.

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    • 4am@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Oh yes because you HAVE to give them your real.name@gmail address. Very cool and privacy focused.

      Suspect knew what info he had put where. Poor OPSEC.

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      • CaptObvious@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yes, as the reporter demonstrated, you have to give them a second email address. Or did I miss your point?

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• helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Then you are ignorant.

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• Ilandar@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Comments like this are why no one takes privacy advocates seriously. Really? No better than Google? You guys are fucking delusional.

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• requiem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Depends in what field. Proton, at least, doesn’t scan your email contents and metadata to sell it on to advertisers.

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  • something_random_tho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    FWIW Gmail no longer sells your email data to advertisers either. That changed years back.

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    • KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’m gonna need some evidence before I believe Google isn’t analyzing all the data that passes through it unencrypted.

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    • sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Google doesn’t sell your data because they don’t need to. They take the data and use something called Real Time Bidding that also skirts GDPR and data protection laws/best practices.

      People in this thread are really showing their ass about how little they know about how their data is actually being collected and protected. Sure, Proton isn’t 100% private, but to say Proton and Gmail are on the same levels of consumer protection is hilarious.

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• summerof69@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I don’t think that Proton sells my data to advertisers or trains AI using my emails and documents. As of laws, unfortunately any service in any reputable country has to obey them. You can always buy a server in some banana republic and set up an email service there, but even then there are some risks.

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  • CaptObvious@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    All good unrelated points.

    With Proton’s anti-privacy requirements for establishing service, they don’t deserve anyone’s trust. They’re just a LEO honeypot that charges you to get in. Again, in that regard, you may as well stick with free Google. At least they’re (mostly) honest about what they are.

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    • independantiste@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      How is proton being dishonest here? I’d like to read your point. They never pitched themselves as a way to protect yourself from the law, they always clearly said they are a confidential email provider, meaning they don’t know what you are sending and receiving. It works like a doctor meeting, the information is very confidential, but not anonymous, it is tied to you even though nobody except authorized parties should be able to access this info.

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• Rogers@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Way way better than gmail IMO. One simple reason is if you have something wrong with your account you can get in contact with a real human. And still better data protection than anything in the US. I’m not a journalist or freedom fighter so for my use case it’s ideal.

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  • CaptObvious@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Fair point. And if whatever you want to keep private isn’t likely to get you killed, then Proton is probably as good as any.

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• EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Because we can see through the clickbait to what actually happened.

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