Comment on Mona: Australia women's-only museum files appeal to keep men out

• Peddlephile@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  But the idea is that everyone can open their own and run it by the rules they want. If you or a group don’t like how one thing is run, there is freedom to open up the same thing but make it open for all. This museum is a private one, rather than run by the government, and therefore they can do what they like. The government ones should be open to all because they are elected by the public.

  I’m not at all in favour of forcing everyone to comply to uniformity for the sake of inclusivity but I’m all for ensuring that there are spaces available that are inclusive and that there’s freedom to operate how you like, provided that it doesn’t hurt anyone.

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  • jwt@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So what you’re saying is I can open up a place, put a sign in front with ‘Irish need not apply’ and water fountain inside that says ‘colored only’, and that should be legal according to you?

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    • Peddlephile@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Only if I’m allowed to open up a space next to you with a water fountain outside and allow everyone in.

      In this context, your business plan would severely limit your customer base and therefore end up ruining your own finances than anything else, while my business plan will definitely get more customers.

      You plan would only end up working if the society you’re living in is more racist than not, which is not the case in the real world. There’s no need to regulate everything when moral code can do the job just fine.

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      • jwt@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s a pretty scary and naïve world view. Luckily you’re not in charge of making the laws (I presume).

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      • SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Or what will happen is all private businesses in communities high in inherent prejudice will exclude certain out groups and pressure any businesses that don’t to either conform or they’ll be boycotted, harassed, and/or vandalized until they go under.

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  • TheControlled@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Antidiscrimination law apply everywhere, regardless whether it’s government or public or private. Otherwise America would still have Jim Crow. The laws that stop that stop this too, for the same reason. Discrimination is wrong, full stop. I don’t give a fuck if women want their own spaces, be my guest, but barring people you don’t want and then crying about it is moronic.

    I’ve been to lesbian bars with my sister and even though my sister is gay, I got glared at, got scoffs, and sighs. I could tell I wasn’t wanted. It kinda pissed me off, but whatever, I was there to drink with my sister and have fun. Imagine if that was a women only bar and my sister couldn’t bring me. Then imagine all the other lesbian bars my sister wanted to bring me too (because she liked them!) were the same. You get my point. I don’t want to live in that world. Some people do and I say, fuck those nearsighted fools.

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    • Peddlephile@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Right. I see it similar to flavours. What if regulation stipulated that you needed to have food that everyone could eat? Nothing spicy. Must have meat options at veg restaurants etc. just so that no one would be discriminated against when they went out to eat. You’d miss out on different cultures, opportunities for innovation etc. Variety would die.

      So, for context, I’m from Australia and familiar with the exact museum in this article. This museum is known for putting forward very provocative art. For example, there is a wall of plaster mould vaginas and they have a soap in the shape of a vagina called ‘Cunt on a rope’. Last time I was there, they had violent and sexual imagery (with warnings outside the entry). This exhibit is par for the course for MONA. The owner is rich enough to drag the court case to the highest level but the intent has been achieved. It got people talking.

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