Hamas doing bad stuff does not absolve the IDF and their Western media henchmen from misrepresenting and exaggerating in order to excuse their actions. Whatever Hamas may or may not be doing, it’s completely immaterial in the face of a fucking genocide.
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HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 1 month agoUhhh… that’s evidence that they are close together, not that its the base that was attacked. Do you have pics of the base or crossing themselves as a comparison?
dogsoahC@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Woozythebear@lemmy.world 1 month ago
In what world is defending yourself from a Genocide a bad thing?
dogsoahC@lemm.ee 1 month ago
It isn’t. But abducting and killing civilians is. Using human shields is. Now, sure, there is a lot of legitimate resentment and anger. And I have complete understanding for parts of the Palestinian population being militant, it’s actually a good thing. And maybe there’s even a point at which actions like the ones Hamas commits are valid. I’m not convinced, but I’m open to the idea. But that doesn’t mean I have to think Hamas are the good guys.
But again, all that doesn’t make what Israel does any less of a genocide, and it doesn’t make shooting at the human shields any less of a despicable war crime.
NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 month ago
But that doesn’t mean I have to think Hamas are the good guys.
Okay Hamas are not good guys, not at all. While I don't think persecuting war criminals is viable in Gaza even if they wanted to, even setting that aside they have a lot of not very good deeds under their belt. That said, they can't be blamed for taking hostages. It sucks for them and their families, no doubt about that, but on the other hand we have 2mil+ people's lives at stake. The hostages, and the Israeli administration's blatant disregard for their lives, have been a decisive issue in pitting the Israeli public against the government. They're also Hamas's only card in negotiations, or in other words the only currency Hamas has to pay for Gazan lives and "freedom". It sucks that lives are being used as currency, but that's a case of don't blame the player, blame the game. Of course the actual treatment of hostages during and after October 7th is a different story and there's some Hague-worthy nonsense there, but the statement "Hamas took hostages on October 7th" has nothing indictable on its own.
Woozythebear@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Oh fuck off you fucking Nazi, human shields my ass… Why does Israel have a military base right next to a fucking shopping mall? It’s because they are using their population as human shields not Hamas.
Dip shit propaganda eating neo lib nazi
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Literally everything is in the post or in my comment. Consider reading before jumping in front of a bullet to shill for israel.
bleistift2@feddit.de 1 month ago
I don’t see evidence that Hamas attacked the base, either. Is a hole in a tent and a picture of a tank that could be taken anywhere there is sand supposed to be evidence?
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Read the highlighted text in the original post. Top left image.
The last two lines of the highlight.
aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 1 month ago
I don’t think there’s a claim that the base itself was attacked, but instead that soldiers that were stationed at that base (which was a staging area for an invasion of Rafah) were attacked. The original Israeli source says that the soldiers were “near” the crossing. This seems like a far cry from the crossing itself being attacked, which is what the US articles claim or at least imply.
NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 month ago
So:
1-All above-ground structures in Gaza are civilian structures. Do you think Israel would allow Hamas to have an above-ground military base?
2-It was launched 350m from a civilian shelter. In Rafah, one of the most overcrowded cities on Earth. It's a surprise there's a place that far from a civilian shelter.