Comment on Google layoffs: Sundar Pichai-led company fires entire Python team for ‘cheaper labour’

• ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  When you have a much better social safety net, work-life balance and in general can expect to be treated like a human and not a work-battery to be used up and discarded, people are satisfied with much less money.

  Should they maybe instead just try that in the US? Nah, of course not.

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• Yrt@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah, but you still have to pay social taxes on top for every worker. That’s why salary and labour cost are two different things. And boy is it a difference in Germany.

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  • Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And as far as I’ve been led to believe, workers in the USA will be bullied into not taking any time off. Germans will take their entitled holidays and use sick leave when they are sick.

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    • KevonLooney@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Workers in the US may not even have sick time. They do make more money though, probably because lots of European tech workers come to the US for better pay.

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      • IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        In practice anyone with this salary is going to have at least 2 weeks + 10 or so federal holidays. It’s the retail and factory folks who are hurt most there.

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• btaf45@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Compared to Valley workers, Germans are still cheap.

  So is West Virginia or Oklahoma.

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  • shikitohno@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    True, but you also need to get enough people with the right skills/knowledge who want to live in West Virginia or Oklahoma when those same skills and knowledge likely make them highly employable in markets with more amenities and greater job opportunities without needing to uproot their life and move to a new town/city when the time comes to get a job with a new company.

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    • cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If only there was a way to, like, have workers work on things without having to be anywhere near the office. Like distance workers or something, then you could hire people from all over the country in cheap places! Ah well, we need that face time though! ~Executives

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• zout@fedia.io ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  But salary does not equal labour cost.

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  • agressivelyPassive@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Even doubling the salary is far less than what you’d pay in the US, and as a rule of thumb, German labour, including all the indirect costs, is about twice the gross salary.

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    • Buelldozer@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Even doubling the salary is far less than what you’d pay in the US,

      I’m certain there’s plenty of Python programmers available in the United States for less than $200,000 per year.

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      • MindlessZ@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        These python programmers are literally maintainers of the language. They’re not a dime a dozen. Not saying it’s impossible or anything but you’re looking to get very high caliber engineers for under 140k

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• APassenger@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Take home or total cost?

  For instance, is there a pension to be funded with costs not included in that 100k?

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