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CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• otter@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  For what it’s worth, it doesn’t realistically change much since Lemmy (software) doesn’t federate with Threads in any meaningful way. The benefits are there, my understanding is that it’s mostly symbolic. This is also why you might see a lot of Mastodon instances staying federated with Threads, because there are tangible benefits and drawbacks to that decision.

  As for WHY an instance is staying Federated, see some discussion from this other thread here: lemmy.ca/post/11771031

  It’s not as simple as “that instance is a traitor”, and attacking other users/admins over this without considering the nuance is silly.

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• Zak@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Have the admins of lemmy.world ever given a reason for this decision?

  Yes. This post gives their thoughts around the time Threads started talking about federation and it’s pretty much “let’s wait and see if this results in problems”. They note a high probability of problems leading to defederation if a significant number of Threads users start posting to Lemmy communities.

  I am happy with this approach. I want my Lemmy server to federate with every compatible server unless and until that server becomes a source of problems. I do not want it to preemptively or transitively[1] block anything. The great thing about federated systems is that people who are not happy with that approach can join a different server with policies that better match their preferences.

  [1] A transitive block is blocking a server because it doesn’t block a third server.

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  • CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thanks for posting that. I think I even read through it when it was posted as it seems awfully familiar. I was wondering if the issue had been more recently revisited though.

    It does kinda bother me that lemmy.world admins don’t just flat out say “screw Meta”, but it’s their choice.

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    • Zak@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If Lemmy.world denying Meta potential access to its 18600 monthly active users was likely to have a meaningful impact on Meta’s revenue or even hurt Mark Zuckerberg’s feelings, maybe I’d feel the same way.

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      • CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s where we differ. My feelings aren’t affected by what impact it has on them, hurtful, helpful, or neutral. I just don’t want them around because they ruin everything they touch. Why give them a chance here? You don’t have to wait for a problem to appear before you start working to prevent it.

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• ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If they actually gave a shit about their users, they would defederate instances that cause problems and break their ToS. In reality, the admins are just going by the Reddit playbook of “don’t do anything until it makes us look bad.”

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  • Emmie@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Admins are unpaid hobbyists like you and me, they don’t think that far

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    • ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, totally unpaid

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      • Emmie@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        lol is this supposed to be some kind of irrefutable evidence

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  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think the issue is in the beginning everyone wanted to federate with world.

    So a new instance would get created, and before a so gle post was made, they’d federate with world.

    So now a shit ton of zombie instances are federated. Like, the same trolls will make 5-10 accounts a day on a zombie server to post on world. Even if world reaches out to the zombie admin and gets a response, there’s a bunch more for the troll to use.

    World admins need to prune their federations. If an instance only has 100 users and most aren’t active, it only helps trolls.

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    • can@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why even come to Lemmy if you’re going to put all your eggs in one basket. Have we learned nothing?

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    • Zak@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Federation occurs automatically when a user subscribes or posts to a community.

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• Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because they’re traitors.

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• LemmyBe@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not sure if this has anything to do with it, or even if it’s real, but this post is still interesting:

  lemmy.eus/comment/243647

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  • CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yikes! That’s not great, if true, but it seems like no evidence was provided.

    I wouldn’t want to be in the business of refuting baseless allegations hurled at me either, so I don’t regard their silence as incriminating.

    At the same time, where there’s smoke there’s usually fire so I’ll be paying more attention now. I would hate to have to leave the instance after all the time I’ve spent here, but if any evidence pops up showing that lemmy.world wants to play nice with Meta then that’s what I’ll have to do.

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