I work in medium tech. Since they have to compete for talent. We get the high pay and work life flexibility. It’s much better than large tech. I would never go work for a Microsoft , Amazon or Google. Not worth it.
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farcaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I think Big Tech is still pretty much a dream job for most people. High pay. Perks. Work/life flexibility. It’s certainly not as dreamy as it was 5 years ago perhaps, but realistically I’d take it over pretty much anything else.
breetai@lemmy.world 6 months ago
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Lots of opportunity in SMB, especially the M.
WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Agreed. M is definitely the sweet spot for tech right now.
chakan2@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I would too, but it really depends on the company. If I can do it, I’m WFH for the rest of my career for companies < 1000 people.
FAANG (or whatever it is these days) are awful fucking people to work for. One of the developers I respect most in my career walked out on .5M in bonuses on Amazon because of their ranking system for his employees. I was shocked.
But depending on the employer it’s still a very good gig.
farcaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
One of the developers I respect most in my career walked out on .5M in bonuses on Amazon because of their ranking system for his employees. I was shocked.
This also shows what an incredibly privileged position techies have in the job market. I totally understand quitting Amazon. Really, I wouldn’t want to work there either. But ask one of their warehouse workers if they’d ever quit and forfeit a 0.5M bonus…
dhork@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Companies like Amazon can pull this off because of stock grants. (And I don’t think they give out stock grants to warehouse workers, but I could be wrong.)
When they hire a developer, especially one who already has the relevant experience they for, they will say “On top of the salary and bonus, we will also give you $200k worth of stock”. But that stock can’t be sold right away; it goes into an account where it vests over 4 years, 1/8 at a time. Your only condition for vesting the stock is being employed. If you leave for any reason, or even get laid off, you give up the rest.
Sometimes you also get smaller awards with your yearly review, subject to the same terms. They do this so that if you are a key developer, leaving would mean you forfeit this large account you have accumulated on paper. But in the back of your mind, you know that if your project gets canceled and you don’t find a new one in the company, that money goes poof also. So it’s play money until it vests, anyway.
farcaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And I don’t think they give out stock grants to warehouse workers, but I could be wrong.
Yeah. That’s my point. And still people take these jobs and work very hard indeed. Try explaining “limited bathroom break time” to your average tech worker.
Average Amazon.com Warehouse Worker hourly pay in the United States is approximately $16.96, which is 7% above the national average.
People don’t seem to understand the average worker would kill to make $80/hour and $200k in RSUs. Not a dream job, right.
Bipta@kbin.social 6 months ago
Each year this trend will accelerate. My dream job will not inevitably lay me off in 3 years...
just_another_person@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Not anymore. Middling pay, constant threat of fire, constant degradation, most perks went away a loooong time ago, zero work/life balance. You can get that same bullshit working for Company X.
farcaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Eh. I work in tech. I have friends who work or worked at almost every big tech company you’d recognize. These are still jobs, dealing with layoffs, annoying bosses, etc. has always been a fact of life. But from what I can see the average techie still has it very good compared to most other jobs. My friend who is a nurse would certainly to earn a tech salary, not have to deal with hospital politics, and not work night shifts all the damn time, and take time off whenever they want to not whenever there’s availability…
just_another_person@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I work these same companies. It’s not about bad bosses, it’s the C-Level people in your news feed degrading their entire workforce via the press. It’s hearing your job is going to be “phased out” if you don’t start reporting to an office hours away after being hired for remote work. It’s having your pay slashed and being told to “deal with it, or find a new job” via email on Monday, then hearing about it all over the news on Tuesday to really hammer it home that you have to fear for your job, and they’ll absolutely replace your ass if you say anything about it.
This was all done by Amazon, Google, and Microsoft in the past year at various different times as if it work from a guidebook on demoralizing your workforce.
farcaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah. Tech has gotten worse. But you really think it’s better in any other sector? I’m sure there are a few highly-compensated lap-dance-inspectors out there but the vast majority of workers deal with the same shit techies are dealing with, for significantly less pay and respect, if you can believe that.
grue@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Probably not a guidebook, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the hired consultants specializing in exactly that.
aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Lol shouda unionized
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
The biggest obstacle to unionizing in tech, none of the unions know how to represent technology workery. I have been in a couple unions as a tech worker, but those unions were historically representing different classes of workers.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Image That’ll happen.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
I mean just represent programming for starters and go from there? It’s the stuff that’s most engineering like, or do I misunderstand the issue?
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I think that Hollywood provides an example: cast, crew, writers, and directors are all unionized, and there are so many different types of jobs at such different rates of pay within those unions.
GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Middling pay? At FAANG-tier companies?
These are some extraordinary claims in need of some extraordinary proof.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Not a claim, just a fact. Everyone walking around thinking we’re making an easy $300k, and taking vacations all the time, and have the best of everything. Absolutely nothing resembling that type of compensation exists anymore. Easy to Google, but just read this headline from today:
threadreaderapp.com/…/1784450545509658867.html
nave@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Well according to Glassdoor the median total salary for a software engineer at google is 249k.