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ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• MilitantVegan@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If someone is being a bigot, should they not be shamed for it? Why should I feel like I have to tip-toe around animal abusers? You’re the one doing the wrong thing. Would you adopt a vegan lifestyle if I presented my message in the way you approved of?

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  • ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m already a vegetarian, but yeah, I think you can definitely have a shot at converting people if you appeal to their values and don’t attack them personally. I have a buddy who converted after watching a documentary because he’s an enviromentalist and the documentary talked about the environmental harm that comes from the livestock industry.

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    • Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Baby steps, maybe just start by giving peope some easy and delicious vegetarian meals. I’m not even vegetarian but around 30 percent of my meals are vegetarian. Granted, I’m Mexican and we have a lot of really good vegetarian meals but still.

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  • BCOVertigo@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It seems like you want people to examine their long held beliefs and customs, adopt your view that they are harmful and unethical, and change their behavior to match yours. A change that may have specific hurdles unknown to you for every individual.

    Humans, being social animals, don’t typically react with reason to things that they percieve to be antagonistic. They tend to mirror hostility and are most likely to fight or disengage when facing an opponent, and cleave to the safety of the groups that accept them.

    Just or not, the act of starting an interaction sets the tone. You’re completely justified in attacking villains and shaming them, but when you throw a devil costume on someone I don’t think you should be surprised when you get pitchforked.

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    • Nevoic@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sometimes it’s just venting, looking at vegancirclejerk groups/forums. Not every comment from a vegan about veganism is an attempt at activism, sometimes we’re just fed up with carnist bullshit and vent. If a carnist sees it and it makes them think, cool, but that’s not always the goal.

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  • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If someone is being a bigot, should they not be shamed for it

    Absolutely.

    Why should I feel like I have to tip-toe around animal abusers?

    Nice of you to use your own bigotry as an example to illustrate what people should be shamed for.

    Would you adopt a vegan lifestyle if I presented my message in the way you approved of?

    Depends: would I have to adopt the religious fundamentalist level holier than thou bigotry as part of the lifestyle? Because I actually prefer not to be an insufferable ass to those that don’t deserve it.

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  • GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Assuming you’re not trolling, yes. The backfire effect is a proven psychologically studied phenomenon. Arguing at people with facts and logic and aggression tends to reinforce their original beliefs. effectiviology.com/backfire-effect-facts-dont-cha…

    Ironically, telling you this will likely not convince you due to said effect.

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    • zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sorry, but the backfire effect hasn’t actually been proven, even under favorable circumstances. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7462781/

      Ironically, telling you this will likely not convince you due to said effect.

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      • GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Noooo how dare you prove me wrong!

        Lol thanks for the info.

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