Are you really implying clandestine abduction is an acceptable method to deal with an overstayed visa?
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Infamousblt@hexbear.net 7 months agoAbducting someone is only “abhorrent” without the context. It’s only bad if you assume they don’t have a good reason for it. And you can only assume they don’t have a good reason for it if you buy into the propaganda that the Chinese government is some entity made of pure evil.
Maybe these folks were past their visa, or were being extradited for some crime. Who knows. There are lots of super valid reasons for an embassy to “abduct” someone. World governments do that kind of shit all of the time for totally normal reasons. And yet where’s the article about “German Embassy KIDNAPS man who was staying in the US on an expired visa.” They don’t exist because people naturally assume that white governments have a good reason for doing something and non white governments don’t. It just racism plain and simple.
Sure maybe the Chinese government is just going around risking international incidents because some random dude is doing thought crime. Or maybe they’re just getting them out of the country because they’re not supposed to be there anymore. One of those is significantly more likely than the other.
noride@lemm.ee 7 months ago
VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
But there has been no evidence of that, the article isn’t even claiming that really they’re just using words that make you picture it when the reality they actually describe is people going back home voluntarily after a conversation with embassy officials
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Indeed, plenty of other countries extradite people, with the permissions of the other government. The difference here is China not only didn’t have the permission, but they didn’t even ask for it. So you can call it propaganda, while reasonable people will call it kidnapping under the existing law.
I looked for the article related to “German Embassy KIDNAPS man who was staying in the US on an expired visa” and couldn’t find it. Could you provide the link for it?
Infamousblt@hexbear.net 7 months ago
That’s my point, said article doesn’t exist, because it’s only “news” when “non white bad people country does things.” It’s only news when it feeds the racist propaganda machine.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
So why does other non-racist countries doesn’t cover it if it’s happening. Countries that oppose US on stuff like their double standards, war crimes and other hypocrisies release plenty of articles on those topics. But by your own statement, there are 0 articles about this.
I’m not one of those people that will can US good, China bad without looking at the context and judging it own its own merit, but you are not helping your case here. I need some objective details of what you are claiming to be true.
Infamousblt@hexbear.net 7 months ago
They probably are. They probably aren’t covering them in English though, it’s not for English speaking audiences. China, as an example, has very publicly chastised the US for its countless human rights violations over the years. Many non-Western countries have.
You’re talking about my case here, but your case basically boils down to “I don’t see countries reporting on Western crimes in English, so it must not be happening” which…is certainly an argument you could make. Western countries have a horrible track record of reporting on their own crimes, and non Western countries probably aren’t writing lots of English articles for English speaking audiences because that isn’t who their readership is. I guess if you’re fluent in some other languages and spend a lot of time reading non Western media in non-English languages then you’d have a stronger argument here. I kinda doubt that though. And I bet if I did start pulling out less Western media sources that do report in English like Al Jazeera or RT I would be immediately called out for parroting anti-Western propaganda. It’s a real catch 22.
My argument is “Western governments fund propaganda efforts against their perceived competition, so stop parroting it as if it’s objective fact.” They don’t even hide that they’re doing it, it’s not like this is some nutter conspiracy theory. There is plenty to be critical of China for, but “Chinese Embassy Doing Embassy Things” isn’t one of them and only serves to fuel anti Asian racism and propaganda.
Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
“The absence of evidence is all the evidence I need!” /s
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 7 months ago
Your reading comprehension remains sorely lacking. The whole point is that it’s not newsworthy, but you can still collect information on it happening by looking up extradition statistics or w/e
noride@lemm.ee 7 months ago
“the fact that you can’t find evidence for my point totally proves my point!”
VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
His point was that if