Comment on China abducted its own citizens on EU territory, report finds

• 420blazeit69@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  China’s abhorrent behavior

  What is abhorrent here? The article you linked to has the report’s author saying that telling a citizen to return = kidnapping. It’s trumped-up bullshit.

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  • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If I first threaten your family member if you don’t do exactly as I say, it is not a simple request to return home. There is a legal process for that called extradition.

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    • 420blazeit69@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What you’re describing is not kidnapping. The article implies China is threatening family members, but it provides no examples, and I have no reason to trust people who deliberately mischaracterize the facts.

      If China, for example, was arresting family members of people for no other reason besides being related to a citizen China wants to return home, the authors would probably have just said that.

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      • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The report provides more details, I attached the link to the full report in the post.

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• Infamousblt@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Abducting someone is only “abhorrent” without the context. It’s only bad if you assume they don’t have a good reason for it. And you can only assume they don’t have a good reason for it if you buy into the propaganda that the Chinese government is some entity made of pure evil.

  Maybe these folks were past their visa, or were being extradited for some crime. Who knows. There are lots of super valid reasons for an embassy to “abduct” someone. World governments do that kind of shit all of the time for totally normal reasons. And yet where’s the article about “German Embassy KIDNAPS man who was staying in the US on an expired visa.” They don’t exist because people naturally assume that white governments have a good reason for doing something and non white governments don’t. It just racism plain and simple.

  Sure maybe the Chinese government is just going around risking international incidents because some random dude is doing thought crime. Or maybe they’re just getting them out of the country because they’re not supposed to be there anymore. One of those is significantly more likely than the other.

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  • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Indeed, plenty of other countries extradite people, with the permissions of the other government. The difference here is China not only didn’t have the permission, but they didn’t even ask for it. So you can call it propaganda, while reasonable people will call it kidnapping under the existing law.

    I looked for the article related to “German Embassy KIDNAPS man who was staying in the US on an expired visa” and couldn’t find it. Could you provide the link for it?

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    • Infamousblt@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s my point, said article doesn’t exist, because it’s only “news” when “non white bad people country does things.” It’s only news when it feeds the racist propaganda machine.

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      • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So why does other non-racist countries doesn’t cover it if it’s happening. Countries that oppose US on stuff like their double standards, war crimes and other hypocrisies release plenty of articles on those topics. But by your own statement, there are 0 articles about this.

        I’m not one of those people that will can US good, China bad without looking at the context and judging it own its own merit, but you are not helping your case here. I need some objective details of what you are claiming to be true.

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      • Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “The absence of evidence is all the evidence I need!” /s

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      • noride@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “the fact that you can’t find evidence for my point totally proves my point!”

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  • noride@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are you really implying clandestine abduction is an acceptable method to deal with an overstayed visa?

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    • VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But there has been no evidence of that, the article isn’t even claiming that really they’re just using words that make you picture it when the reality they actually describe is people going back home voluntarily after a conversation with embassy officials

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