Completely tangential, but imma be real with you: libsocs are fringe too.
Indeed, socialism of any sort is pretty fringe in most of the West.
Comment on unsure why we are surprised lol
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 7 months agoIs Lemmy.world a cover for Liberalism, because it’s run by liberals? Is db0 a cover for Anarchism and Libertarian Socialism, because db0 is a Libertarian Socialist?
Liberals and libertarian socialists are usually pretty open about what they believe, so there’s no cover needed. They’re not fringe ideologies like tankies have.
However neoliberalism is a fairly hated ideology. If the people who ran lemmy.world were literally the same people running a neoliberalism sub on that instance and they also ran thatcher.love or whatever, and they banned people for saying neoliberalism was trash, then yeah, it would be a reasonable inference that lemmy.world was some sort of entryist ploy.
It is the existence of lemmygrad combined with the behaviour of the people running lemmy.ml that makes the case to defederate. If that happens and you don’t like it, you could always migrate your account, unless you like it there, in which case you’re probably not the normie you first appeared to be.
rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
That’s a fair point, although I would say socialism is becoming less fringe, and it seems like the various types of libsoc are the main forms of socialism because people have seen the failures of state based solutions, even amongst demsocs/socdems.
That said, I kind of agree and the word “fringe” didn’t sit quite right. On reflection a better word would be “covert”, since ideologies that explicitly want to dominate people tend to hide what they are, since they know it’s not acceptable to state their aims up front. That’s really the idea I was getting at.
rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Fair
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Lemmy.world regularly bans Marxist-Leninists, it is a two-way street there.
Again, I truly don’t see how Lemmygrad taking the marxist-leninists means Lemmy.ml is a cover for Marxism-Leninism, it’s a non-political community focused on FOSS and Privacy.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
Just for being marxist-leninists? Or because they were toxic assholes?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Anecdotally I have seen Marxist-Leninists calmly arguing in politics communities banned for being “tankies.” I will admit, I do not have any examples on-hand.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
So do they regularly do this, or is it a thing you’ve seen anecdotally?
And if the thing they were calmly arguing was genocide denial, then it was warranted. The tone is not the only thing that matters.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I do. I had a post removed from political memes because apparently people didn’t like the fact that a Nazi was made a chairman in NATO. Adolf Heusinger
Gabu@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If that were the case, we wouldn’t see a single rightwinger over here. Unfortunately, there are many.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
Yes, moderation is famously capable of immediately removing every single toxic asshole in any forum.
Kedly@lemm.ee 7 months ago
“it’s a non-political community focused on FOSS and Privacy.” -moderated and controlled at least somewhat by tankies who will delete your comment and possibly ban you for saying things about tankies that they dont like