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GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• kakes@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sure, but what if those countries are the only places I love tho?

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  • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is sounding close to replacement theory.

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    • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Replacement theory has a kernel of truth - more brown people are being born than white people.

      It’s just not in any way a problem. Let the brown people immigrate to white countries. Boom, population crisis solved.

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      • eskimofry@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You have independently arrived at the bigots’ internal musings. Only the bigots seems to think it’s a disaster.

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      • Wooki@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Japan and South Korea have entered the chat.

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• Syn_Attck@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In essence, when the growth rate slows to a certain point, people are dying faster than they’re being replaced, and the trend can only continue unless everyone starts having 10 kids.

  It’s a matter of job replacement. Maybe AI will partly help, or maybe we’ll open our borders so immigrants can come end masse and do all the jobs we don’t have enough people for, but unless extreme measures are taken once it gets to that point, civilization as we know it will collapse.

  I’m by no means pro-forced birth. But birth rate decline is a serious issue.

  The U.S. population grew at the slowest pace in history in 2021, according to census data released last week. That news sounds extreme, but it’s on trend. First came 2020, which saw one of the lowest U.S. population-growth rates ever. And now we have 2021 officially setting the all-time record.

  U.S. growth didn’t slowly fade away: It slipped, and slipped, and then fell off a cliff. The 2010s were already demographically stagnant; every year from 2011 to 2017, the U.S. grew by only 2 million people. In 2020, the U.S. grew by just 1.1 million. Last year, we added only 393,000 people.

  www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/…/629392/

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  • Red_October@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In essence, when the growth rate slows to a certain point, people are dying faster than they’re being replaced, and the trend can only continue unless everyone starts having 10 kids.

    Growth is growth. It’s not tracking only births, it’s tracking births against deaths. Population decline is people dying faster than they’re being replaced, but even “very slow growth” would still mean the population is increasing.

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    • sukhmel@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There are countries that decline in population even though they try to offset it with immigration, Japan is ahead of everyone in that.

      But every time someone talks about the decline in population they usually aren’t afraid of people going extinct, they are afraid of working hands supply going low imo 🌚

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      • WalnutLum@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not anymore, Japan has one of the highest birthrates in Asia now.

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  • chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m by no means pro-forced birth. But birth rate decline is a serious issue.

    Yeah, it matters to capitalists who need an inexhaustible supply of exploitable workers.

    For regular folk, it’s not a problem.

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    • Syn_Attck@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As long as you don’t care about electricity, water, food, and you’re extremely physically isolated and/or hidden very well and armed to the teeth, it shouldn’t affect you much.

      For the rest of is it’s something to worry about. Once the train gets going it doesn’t stop, and that means as time goes on it gets worse and worse until it reaches a point of stability some X years after collapse. And you won’t be able to hunt/pick your food if you’re anywhere near a city, because everyone else will be doing the same. Also bathing in the only good streams with whatever leftover chemicals they can find.

      Your country can open the immigration floodgates and become a country without borders (i.e. become whatever country is currently your neighbor) but that comes with similar problems listed above.

      So as you can see, it’s not an issue for a small privileged few. For the rest of us, its a big fucking deal.

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    • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not really, it’s a matter of replacement. Plus we need a lot more people if we’re going to become a multi-planet species for survival. Nothing to do really with capitalism.

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  • Shiggles@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If only there were people desperate for a better life here, alive now, perhaps in a neighboring country or even entire other continent bordering the states.

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  • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    but unless extreme measures are taken once it gets to that point, civilization as we know it will collapse.

    Population decline is a good thing. Raising a child requires more resources than caring for elderly. When the elderly die, that frees up even more land and resources for the next generation.

    The Black Plague caused the Renaissance. WW2 killed almost exclusively all the healthiest and most productive workers at the prime of their working lives. The result was the survivors experienced unprecedented wealth for a generation.

    When the population declines such that a person with a high school diploma can once again own a home and support a family of 4, the population will increase again.

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    • Syn_Attck@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I agree that a Phoenix will rise from the ashes, but make no mistake, there will be many ashes, you and I and most of us posting here likely included.

      But we are long overdue for a reset. Maybe this time we can just skip the internet infrastructure.

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      • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t understand why you think there would be any ashes? Extreme population decline like the Black Plague or WW2 caused extreme wealth. Slow decline will cause a slow increase in wealth in the following generations. If we have half the people we only need half the goods manufactured. We had only 4 Billion people in 1980. It wasn’t a post apocalypse hellscape. So if we returned to 4 billion it would be fine.

        The only people who suffer from population decline whether it was the Plague or great wars are the wealthy because their livelihood comes from skimming a little from all the workers.

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• GamingChairModel@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Replacement rate is 2.1 children per woman, and there are about 100 countries under that rate. Yes, their populations are still growing, but much of that is through extension of life expectancy and immigration (which requires a higher birth rate somewhere else, lest that other places start seeing shrinking population).

  It’s not an immediate crisis, but it is turning into a problem that should be addressed soon.

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• wahming@monyet.cc ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah it’s a bit of a hyperbole, but the rate is what’s important. By the time we hit worldwide negative growth rates (which is projected to happen this century), it’s going to be way too late to have a discussion about whether or not that’s a good thing.

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  • nyan@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A good thing for some, a bad thing for others. Good for the environment, most likely. But we’re going to have to extensively reorganize the workforce.

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    • wahming@monyet.cc ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Experts have generally agreed that any reduction in population size will come far too late to help with the current climate crisis. We’re either going to hit sustainability with our current population or die in the process.

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      • nyan@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        While the climate crisis is a significant part of what ails the environment, it’s far from the only thing. Lowering the human population should mean reduced destruction of surviving animal habitats and populations, for instance. And the greater the genetic diversity in an animal population, the better its chances of adapting to external events like climate change become.

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