You don’t need to know what it feels like. Trying to fight intolerance with intolerance isn’t successful.
Comment on Mona: Court rules women’s-only exhibit must allow male visitors
Grimy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m not really a fan of the whole “we’ll be intolerant so you know what it feels like” but it’s also the only way I can really know what it feels like as a white man from a middle class family. I’m on the fence on this one.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
rutellthesinful@kbin.social 2 months ago
You don’t need to know what it feels like.
no, but it can help
Trying to fight intolerance with intolerance isn’t successful.
blanket statements like this are rarely helpful or true
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think downvoters have forgotten the paradox of tolerance. That said, intolerance should be applied at the individual level (ie don’t tolerate a nazi because they are a nazi), not by group (like the scenario this thread is about did).
kbin_space_program@kbin.run 2 months ago
That's easy.
For starters:
Go to China. Go to the middle east. Go to Zimbabwe. Go to the wrong parts of Brazil or South Africa.Hell, go to Northern Ireland.
It's an idiotic thing to state that white people are not and have never been oppressed.
FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 2 months ago
Go to the wrong parts of Brazil or South Africa.
What do you you mean "wrong parts"? 🤨
It's an idiotic thing to state that white people are not and have never been oppressed.
White (an invented and morphose social category predicated on anti-Blackness) people have never been oppressed for being white.
norbert@kbin.social 2 months ago
White (an invented and morphose social category predicated on anti-Blackness) people have never been oppressed for being white.
Imagine actually believing this.
FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 2 months ago
Imagine actually believing this.
I don't have to; I know from personal experience what it's like to be right and correct. I recommend you abandon you current beliefs and try not being wrong yourself.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
The concept of “white” as a race dates back to WW2, at most. Before then, being from France was as ethnically important a distinction as being from England, Spain, Germany, Ireland, or China. Due to the long history of conflict amongst European nations, there was no unified sense of race due to something as simple as skin color.
When the Irish immigrated to the US, they were considered equivalent to black people by Americans and competed for the same jobs.
The British, inspired by the American ethnic cleansings of the Native American tribes, attempted to ethnically cleanse the Irish from Ireland for their land. That’s what the famine in Ireland actually was. There was a scarcity of potatoes, but otherwise there was plenty of food - so long as you were British. In fact, there’s a statue of a Native American in northern Ireland commemorating the Native tribes’ aid during the famine, because they recognized what the British were doing and were one of the few groups to send supplies to the Irish. Nobody else cared, because they were Irish, not (insert country here).
rutellthesinful@kbin.social 2 months ago
FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 2 months ago
psivchaz@reddthat.com 2 months ago
The more interesting thing to me is… They were modeling a thing that was popular in the 60s, according to the article. It’s an art display to protest something from 60+ years ago. A lot of the people who would go to such an exhibit weren’t alive, and certainly weren’t adults at the time.
There are surely problems that women face today but I don’t see how this helps shine any light on that or does anything at all for it.
Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
I think it’s fine as a limited art piece, but sexism is sexism and should not be perpetrated against any gender in a serious way.
pleasejustdie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They should just make it a small art exhibit out front, then 2 bathrooms, the mens is normal, with some basic art, but the women’s bathroom has a bar and cocktail lounge and the extra amenities. Then the business wouldn’t be excluding men, it would just be providing them a different experience in the bathroom which I feel like they’d have a much better time defending in court. But it also seems like this whole thing was done as a form of activism and it looks like one of the intents is for this business to close down so they can be martyrs.
Jaytreeman@kbin.social 2 months ago
You should run an exhibit
pleasejustdie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m not really an artsy type person, more of a logical minded person, so it really wouldn’t be something I would do. But as a logical thinker I’m good at coming up with creative logical solutions to puzzles. I’d be better as a consultant.
Jaytreeman@kbin.social 2 months ago
I'd be happy to give a letter of reference.
To whom it may concern,
Pleasejustdie....
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