Comment on Microsoft's Collapse in the Web Server Space Continued This Month

db2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• aniki@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I remember trying to setup a web server in IIS in the 90s and it was one of the reasons why now I am a full time Linux engineer.

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  • nikt@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I still blame Balckberry’s downfall on their deep integration and dependence on Microsoft server tech. A few weeks of dealing with that in the mid 2000s and I was sure the end was written for them.

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• partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Non-MS Web servers and services have evolved significantly since IIS was originally introduced. Back in the mid 90s when the web was growing up authentication was significantly more primitive. Active Directory didn’t exist yet. OpenSSL didn’t even exist. Linux as an accepted business server was much more rare. Your options for OS were Windows, IBM (AS400 or AIX), SCO Unix, Netware, AT&T or Berkley Unix, and a few others mainframe OSes.

  Among other things, IIS allowed a way to leverage existing user directories for auth on top of an OS you already had deployed and supported in your org. It was a simple, primitive, horrible insecure and exciting time.

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  • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Dude, I learned how to write HTML in the 90’s and even back then everyone knew that apache2 was clearly fucking superior. IIS has been a joke since the 90’s when it was released.

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    • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Except that’s not what was happening. IIS came after Apache and played a catch up for a while. It almost surpassed Apache in 2007, but GFC happened and its popularity dropped rapidly. If not for GFC, there would be no Apache today.

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      • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Nginx also increased in popularity around that time, giving more competition to IIS. Most of the web stacks I've seen recently are running Nginx.

        (I'm an HAProxy man myself.)

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  • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m not sure that IIs is the relevant point here is it?

    I build using Microsoft technologies, and haven’t touched IIs for more than 8 years. I almost entirely use OSS projects, on linux.

    From writing, to testing, to IaC, to the runtime, the server OS, the webserver, the proxy…etc is all FOSS projects these days.

    The only proprietary things I used is the hosting provider itself and their services, and my IDE.

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  • ripcord@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    (Solaris, HP/UX, DG/UX, etc)

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• SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Seriously, who other than a god damned masochist uses Internet Information Services as a server?

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  • Shadywack@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I work for a completely fucking dumbass shit for brains company that internally uses it for some of our intranet sites, and those are always having issues. Whenever someone wants to talk about “gubment waste” I would really like to show them our enterprise stack and the boondoggles of the corporate world where we fuck shit up, have no accountability, and fail upwards while leaving messes too big to clean up.

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    • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The only thing private corpos are more efficient than government at is funneling money into already rich people’s pockets.

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      • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Depends on the government. For example, the Russian government is not only more efficient than any private Russian company, but it is also one of the largest drug dealers in the world.

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      • jabathekek@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “Corporate would like you to find the difference between these two pictures.”

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• abhibeckert@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because people already had a server to run Exchange, which is actually pretty good, and if you’re already paying a fortune for Windows, why not use it?

  Linux is definitely not free, you need to hire staff who know how it works and you need to pay a support contract for someone to fix things when your own staff aren’t capable.

  Since you’re already paying for both of those with your Exchange server, it was cheaper to use IIS as well. These days Linux is a lot lower maintenance and support contracts are cheaper, so it’s less of a concern.

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  • db2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you need to have the kernel patched to run a web server you’re doing it very wrong, then or now. 🤣

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  • datelmd5sum@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I wonder if they still even teach windows server in school these days. Back in my days 10ish years ago we had separate courses for windows server and Linux. But when I got a job all the windows server was doing was AD and now even that is either gone or on it’s way out.

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    • BaldProphet@kbin.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Can confirm that Windows Server is taught in school IT programs, and can confirm that Windows Server is still being used for both Active Directory and on-premises virtualization (Hyper-V). I interned at a large international organization with networks on 6 continents and it was moving its server infrastructure back to its own datacenters because of rising costs of cloud hosting. It used Hyper-V on Windows Server to host every thing.

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