Comment on ‘There wasn’t enough about the horror’: Hiroshima survivors react to Oppenheimer

• DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They weren’t innocent, they were willing and eager subjects of a fascist state that had killed over 20 million Chinese, Koreans, and Filipinos amongst others, and there was never a chance of it being two state solution.

  If there’s a reason Truman dropped the bomb as an anti-communist measure it was to just to irredeemably prove we had them and it wasn’t propaganda.

  In the real world, however, Imperial Japan was an irrational state that was trying to force a conditional surrender in a war the leaders never thought they could win in the first place.

  The USA waited three days between Hiroshima and Nagasaki for a surrender. It didn’t happen. That alone proves there wasn’t one coming from other circumstances.

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  • Sunforged@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are you a willing and eager subject to the current genocide being funded with your taxpayer dollars?

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, and unlike your bitch ass I’ve been tear gassed to prove it.

      Fortunately, we can rest assured that the vast majority of Japanese citizens supported the war. Not only were are they as a people still largely unrepentant, we know what happened to the people who did resist:

      They were killed or shipped to Korea as slaves.

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      • Sunforged@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So you acknowledge that public dissent had violent repercussions, but that somehow equates that all civilians were willing supporters and valid targets? That’s an amazing display of doublethink. Paired with the ad hominem, you’ve shown yourself completely impotent.

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      • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Your comment in “‘There wasn’t enough about the horror’: Hiroshima survivors react to Oppenheimer” was removed from !globalnews@lemmy.zip.
        Reason: Rule 3 - Respectful Communication.

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  • livus@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They weren’t innocent, they were willing and eager subjects

    Just no. Tens of thousands of those killed were children and babies.

    Massacring civillians using the excuse that they "all" are collectively responsible for their leadership is a war crime. You're in very bad company. Osama Bin Laden explicitly used that same excuse for 9/11. Israel is using it now for Gaza.

    In the documentary Fog of War McNamara admits that him and Curtis May were essentially behaving as war criminals.

    There's absolutely no reason to try to carve out this weird moral exception for the US in its slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civillians at Hiroshima and Nagisaki.

    There is no shame in learning from the mistakes of the past.

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  • june@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “They” were civilians. You may have had a point if they nuked strictly military targets, but they didn’t, they nuked two major civilian centers and they placed the epicenter of the blast in such a position so as to cause maximum carnage.

    Any argument that it was anti Soviet (and that that makes it acceptable somehow) or that it was necessary is just atrocity apologia.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s true. We could have proven the existence of the bombs without killing anyone.

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      • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Perhaps what we were proving was our own brutality though.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What do you think the 20 million victims of Imperial Japan were?

      Who do you think invented the concept of total war?

      Who do you think initially agreed to abide by the Geneva Conventions and then immediately betrayed them?

      How many civilians do you think would have died in a ground invasion?

      Don’t want to get your people bombed, don’t start bombing people. You want feel sad for the loss of people trapped by environmental circumstance in more than one way, knock yourself out, but their blood was on Hirohito and his government’s hands the moment their dumbasses decided to invade their “subhuman” neighbors.

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      • june@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So they deserved it, because their government did terrible things.

        You understand that they lived under immense propaganda. Right? They deserved it just as much as the people of East Asia deserved the atrocities committed against them by the Japanese Imperial military.

        Would you support nuking Moscow, Jerusalem, or DC? Why not?

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