That is a bad thing if they want to be exempt from the law because they are doing a big, very important thing, and we shouldn’t.
The copyright laws are shit, but applying them selectively is orders of magnitude worse.
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echodot@feddit.uk 6 months agoEveryone says this but the truth is copyright law has been unfit for purpose for well over 30 years now. And the lords were written no one expected something like the internet to ever come along and they certainly didn’t expect something like AI. We can’t just keep applying the same old copyright laws to new situations when they already don’t work.
I’m sure they did illegally obtain the work but is that necessarily a bad thing? For example they’re not actually making that content available to anyone so if I pirate a movie and then only I watch it, I don’t think anyone would really think I should be arrested for that, so why is it unacceptable for them but fine for me?
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A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 6 months ago
if I pirate a movie and then only I watch it, I don’t think anyone would really think I should be arrested for that, so why is it unacceptable for them but fine for me?
Because it’s more analogous to watching a video being broadcasted outdoors in the public, or looking at a mural someone painted on a wall, and letting it inform your creative works going forward. Not even recording it, just looking at it.
As far as we know, they never pirated anything. What we do know is it was trained on data that literally anybody can go out and look at yourself and have it inform your own work. If they’re out here torrenting a bunch of movies they don’t own or aren’t licencing, then the argument against them has merit. But until then, I think all of this is a bunch of AI hysteria over some shit humans have been doing since the first human created a thing.
StarPupil@ttrpg.network 6 months ago
An AI (in its current form) isn’t a person drawing inspiration from the world around it, it’s a program made by people with inputs chosen by those people. If those people didn’t ask permission to use other people’s licensed work for their product, then they are plagiarising that work, and they should be subject to the same penalties that, for example, a game company using stolen art in their game should face. An AI doesn’t become inspired, it copies existing things to predict what it thinks its user wants to see. If we produce a real thinking AI at some point in the future, one with self determination and whatnot, the story will be different, but for now it isn’t.
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What is web scraping if not gathering information from around the world? As long as you’re not distributing copyrighted content (and the models in question here don’t, btw), then fair use is at play. I’m not plagiarizing the news by reading it or by talking about what I learned, but I would be if I just copy/pasted my response from the article.
Reading publicly available data isn’t a copyright violation, and it certainly isn’t a violation of fair use. If it were, then you just plagiarized my comment by reading it before you responded.
exanime@lemmy.today 6 months ago
Because the actual comparison is that you stole ALL movies, started your own Netflix with them and are lining up to literally make billions by taking the jobs of millions of people, including those you stole from
HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
I would say it is closer to watching all the movies, regardless of how you got them, then taught a film class at UCLA.
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 6 months ago
If I paint a melty clock hanging off of a table, how have I stolen from Salvador Dali? What did I “steal” from Tolkien when I drew this?
you stole ALL movies, started your own Netflix with them
This model can’t even try to distribute copyrighted material. You’re just wrong, and you could have easily checked for yourself but once again I find myself having to do the footwork for you guys.
exanime@lemmy.today 6 months ago
If you sell your melty clock yes, it not “stealing” but you are violating copyright, that’s how it works
The “model in question” is a bit of a prototype, I thought is was clear we are talking about where these models are going… Maybe you’d get it if you came down of your high horse
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Dali doesn’t own the concept of a melting clock. If I include a melting clock in my own work, as long as it’s not his melting clock with all the other elements of his painting, it’s fair use.
GPT hasn’t been a prototype since before 2018, and the copyright restrictions are only getting tighter every time it’s updated so idk what you’re on about.
GiveMemes@jlai.lu 6 months ago
Ok but training an ai is not equivalent to watching a movie. It’s more like putting a game on one of those 300 games in one DS cartridges back in the day.
HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
I don’t think that is true. You aren’t reselling the movies. It is more like watching the movies then writing a recap or critique of the movies. Do you owe the copyright holder for doing that?
Gabu@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The problem with that being?
GiveMemes@jlai.lu 6 months ago
Obviously, it’s illegal to sell a product that’s using copyrighted material you don’t have the copyright to. This AI is not open source, it’s a for profit system.
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It doesn’t, though. You could have easily checked yourself, but I guess I’ll do your research for you.
oKtosiTe@lemmy.world 6 months ago
There are definitely people out there that think you should be arrested for that.
echodot@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Even the police are unsure if it’s actually a crime though. Crimes require someone to lose something and no one can point to a lost product so it’s difficult to really quantify.
And it’s not even technically breach of copyright since you’re not selling it.
exanime@lemmy.today 6 months ago
But they ARE selling it … Every answer Chat GPT makes came from possibly stolen material
confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You’re using the word ‘stolen’ which doesn’t fit. It would be accurate to say 'every answer comes from possibly unlicensed material '.
HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Isn’t that true of every opinion you have. All the knowledge you have is based on works of others that came before you.