Comment on Reddit: Return Of The Junk Stock IPO

• Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  To be fair, the point of Apollo was to also make money. But it was to make money by selling you things that made a nice experience nicer. Reddit makes money by selling you stuff that makes a shitty experience slightly less shitty.

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  • NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I said it before on Reddit and I will say it again here—

    If Reddit has asked me for a premium subscription to use my favourite third-party app, I would have fucking paid.

    Just bad business all around

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    • Kinglink@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t know the right price point, but 1 dollar a month probably would have worked for most people. It just wasn’t enough because they probably can make more than 1 by spoon feeding you ads now.

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      • KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’d go as far as 5 dollars a month, which is more than the buck thirty they make off users right now.

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    • Rumbelows@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      100% I did pay for the premium version of Apollo and I absolutely would have paid about £20 a month for access.

      It was the #1 most used app on all my devices.

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      • qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        20 a month?! No way in hell reddit app access is worth that.

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      • BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I‘d say about £5 a month would be suitable for lurkers, with additional options for when your "contingent“ is used up

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    • qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Didn’t that become an option at some point? I’m sure I’ve read there are apps you can pay for to have access. Fuck that, though. Make it a reasonable price, too, and I’d listen. No way I’m paying a fiver a month for reddit. Maye 1 or 2.

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      • Kinglink@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Apps can pay in a ridiculous deal that no app would be able to support. So you either be a pay app that no one downloads, or a free app that gets killed the second it gets too big (And that number was low)

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    • tb_@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Recently I stumbled on Relay, still going strong with a subscription model (because API fees).

      That said, I refuse to return to that platform.

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      • NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You can patch old third-party apps with ReVanced. That being said, they are unmaintained and will still eventually break.

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  • andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The funny ouroborous here is new reddit is shitty because no one at reddit team actually use it to know it.

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  • randomname01@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, but the Apollo dev didn’t have the huge server costs that Reddit has. I’m not defending Reddit at all, but this is just comparing apples to oranges.

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    • Zink@pawb.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So the reason reddit struggled to develop a decent app is… because of server costs?

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      • Anamnesis@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Seriously. They still don’t have a way to increase the font size on the default app last I checked. How is such a basic feature STILL lacking?

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      • randomname01@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Im a way, yeah. They clearly they made a shitty app to extract as much value from their users as possible. But my point was that Reddit has significantly higher costs than third party app developers, so the business model that works for third party app developers doesn’t work for them.

        Looking at a third party app - made by someone who doesn’t have to bear the costs of running the site and can therefore make decent money on an ad-free experience - and a first party one which does have to recoup those expenses doesn’t really work. The financial models are just fundamentally different.

        I don’t say that to defend Reddit. They’re clearly a shitty company headed by shitty people, and I’m sure they could’ve found different ways to make money. But yeah, their financial incentives for making an app are fundamentally different than those of other devs.

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    • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Server costs don’t force you to make a bloated and shitty app experience. You might have an argument that 3rd party apps put strain on the servers, but that’s just reddits fault for making an awful and borderline unusable UX.

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      • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think he’s arguing that the organization, being several hundred times bigger, makes it a lot harder to focus on one thing, like making the app awesome.

        As an example, in an hour long meeting you’d spend x% of the time on server costs, another y% on, i dunno, legal, another % on how to enshittify, and finally 5 minutes on the app.

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• Kinglink@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The goal of Apollo was to make a good app. The goal of the official reddit app is to show you ads and siphon money off you.

  Spot fucking on.

  Ever have a good app? Something you like using but it’s by a corporation but that’s ok, because it’s a good app and does what you want? And then they start adding more features to it, and it slows down, and it’s more annoying and it keeps offering services you don’t want, and it changes and it morphs and it becomes a shit app.

  Hell I’ve watched Whisk become something I liked using to something worthless now it’s Samsung food… Switched to using CopyMeThat which actually also gets me recipes from sites that you can’t just read the recipes from, and that’s ALL it does (well recipe book/shopping cart/meal planning, which is what it’s designed for.)

  I’m just sick of “How do we make more money” instead of just being an app that does what it says. Gaming is going down the same hole, sadly.

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  • prole@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is the inevitable long term goal and result of capitalism.

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    • Kinglink@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is the result of shareholders. Capitalism doesn’t have to turn into this and people can have small businesses that are comfortable and don’t grow. But when you get investment involve the question is always “how do you ‘grow this business’ so I can get a ROI”.

      There’s a few cases where that’s not the case, but the majority of the mindset of the modern business world is fast returns, rather than sustainable growth.

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    • Morefan@retrolemmy.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is the inevitable long term goal and result of CORRUPTION.

      I’m not advocating for capitalism.

      Corruption exists in both capitalistic and socialist systems.

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  • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Always going to upvote someone talking about CopyMeThat. Been a premium member for over a decade, it was a game changer for us.

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  • reflectedodds@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I also quit whisk when it became samsung food. Does CopyMeThat let you have shared lists with other people?

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    • Kinglink@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It does have a “Community” aspect, but honestly I think it’s quite weak on that. however if you have someone you know and their recipes are public you can see them, but not in any organized sense.

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      • reflectedodds@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Dang, the shared grocery list and meal planning was the best part of it.

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  • Hexagon@feddit.it ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Telegram has entered the chat

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• Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I get your point and you’re not wrong, technically . Technically that is what Reddit is trying to do but you need to remember that this is Reddit. They fucking suuuuuck at everything.

  I remember years ago a disaffected ex employee wrote something about what it’s like to work the and in just remember thinking to myself: “Imagine going in to work and they call an important meeting, all hands, to discuss “brigading” and then, without an ounce of irony they proceed to sternly discuss this important topic.”

  Just imagine those little snot nosed shots puffed up with so much self importance discussing how these “brigades” are destroying their “bastion of free speech”.

  I thought I was going to pule in my own mouth again just going this.

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