Comment on YSK: it's not just Tesla, 1/3 of cars in built in the last ten years have passenger/rear windows that are almost impossible to break in an emergency.

• ShepherdPie@midwest.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So then why blame the car?

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  • GamingChairModel@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    By default, Teslas are set in “one pedal driving” mode, which makes it so that the wheels won’t turn without the throttle/accelerator being pressed. That’s a different interface and behavior from the traditional automatic transmission, where simply lifting the foot off the brake pedal allows the vehicle to roll either forward or backward, depending on whether it’s in D or R.

    The selection of the “transmission” setting of P R D in a Tesla also doesn’t have tactile feedback that subtly communicates which direction it’s set to.

    The combination of the two means that the car is different in these ways and can contribute to mistaken gear selection plus application of the throttle, compared to a typical car.

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    • juliebean@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      i felt more than a little sick to my stomach at “one pedal driving”.

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      • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Have you tried one pedal driving?

        • I found it very easy to get used to the concept - it’s similar to taking your foot off the gas to coast up to a light but greatly exaggerated
        • the hard part was driving smoothly, just what I was afraid of. Take your foot off the accelerator a couple hundred feet back expecting to coast to the light and come to an abrupt stop. Oops.
        • it took some practice for me to drive smoothly with it, but also exploring the relevant config options. I do best with “creep”: mimicking automatics at very low speed but one ideal driving at all other times

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    • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ahh, no. Plenty of automatic vehicles will either not move or move very slowly when idling in drive, and you will always need to accelerate if you’re facing uphill.

      It definitely sounds like the driver was at least partially to blame.

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  • Baahb@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Cause people want to blame the car?

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    • dragontamer@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Because insufferable Tesla fanbois have for literally fucking years told us that touchscreen controls are better.

      No they aren’t you dumb fucks. When you cant feel reverse vs feeling drive, people will get confused.

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      • swankypantsu@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Anyway, human computer interaction folks (HCI) have been talking about these issues for literally a decade. Tesla vehicles are prone to sudden unintended acceleration. Tons of people have gotten locked inside a Tesla unable to escape. Etc. Etc. Tons of terrible UI issues and human control issues. It’s well known at this point.

        These folks just wanna fanboy/girl over being scammed by their favorite billionaire for the lol memes.

        The main problem is that all these companies have no experience with ISO26262 or Functional Safety for Road Vehicles. Replace “Tesla” with “BYD” and look at the number of news headlines regarding exploding cars in China.

        Only benefit that comes from cars coming from the big 3 is that there’s at least a few years of experience behind the design (even if its a bad one) so that it at least it doesn’t blow up, or lock you in when its on fire.

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      • pendulum_@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Show us on the doll where the tesla drivers annoyed you?

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      • Malfeasant@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Tesla vehicles are prone to sudden unintended acceleration.

        Wait, has that ever been confirmed? I mean of course Tesla would deny it, but I’d be quicker to believe user error than a design flaw (but I wouldn’t rule it out either)

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    • ShepherdPie@midwest.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah this is a little nutty seeing people with axes to grind.

      An old lady drives her 2005 car through a restaurant entrance and people blame the driver and say things like “driving tests should be mandatory every X years.” A woman in a Tesla launches her car into a lake and people jump to the drivers defense, make excuses as to why the driver isn’t responsible, and want to complain about whatever bullshit the CEO tweeted out in the last week.

      It’s almost comical to witness.

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      • juliebean@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        she made a mistake. good design could have prevented her crash, and less negligent design should have let her live. absolute worst case scenario, it should have been an expensive mistake, but not a fatal one.

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  • brygphilomena@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Because they have changed the car controls radically. It’s not intuitive for many people.

    The car relies on systems which add undue complexity and area for failure in unforeseen circumstances. Solenoid doors have been around since the 50s, but there are reasons they were never common until Tesla decided to use them.

    I’m not saying the lady is blameless and it’s all the cars fault. But design decisions on the Tesla do makes them more difficult to use/escape from in an emergency situation.

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