Comment on Automakers Are Sharing Consumers’ Driving Behavior With Insurance Companies

• ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I agree it should be codified, but have no hope that our fascist leaning lawmakers won’t gladly accept $$ from insurance companies and automakers to do what they want to do anyways.

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  • RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We’re headed rapidly toward a social credit system, but run by our corporate overlords instead of government. To quote The Stupendium:

    You seem so surprised, what did you expect?

    We’re thinking outside of that box that you checked

    The terms were presented in full to inspect

    You scrolled to the end just to get to “Accept”

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    • r00ty@kbin.life ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The other side of that coin is, if we all read the bullshit extended legalise in every licence/privacy agreement for everything we've ever used, we'd never do anything else but read them.

      Besides which, it's not like there's a choice aside from accepting the agreement or not using the thing. Alternatives? All have similar agreements attached.

      Basically, this is just a symptom of how much "better" modern life is. But hey, at least we don't need to worry about lions eating us quite so much.

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      • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What’s the point of reading them? I know there’s a lot I disagree with but I also know i can’t see before buying, I can’t do anything about it, nor are there realistically other choices. All modern cars do it. For any place with any consumer protection, they should be unenforceable, but I’m in the US so have to settle for there’s nothing I can do about it

        These are just legal cover, so they can say “see, he agreed,according to our definition”. It doesn’t change what they are doing or whether they would have already

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      • tal@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But hey, at least we don’t need to worry about lions eating us quite so much.

        I’m pretty confident that humans have killed and eaten more lions than lions have humans.

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      • RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        we don’t need to worry about lions eating us

        Someone didn’t read the line item in the EULA.

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    • pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We’re basically already there with credit scores.

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      • RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Perhaps. There is a lot you can do to present the right appearance w/ respect to financial transactions. There’s not so much you can do when companies are exchanging data about your routine activities behind you back. Or they assume it is about you, who is going to hold them to account? Nobody.

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    • 0x0@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Insert southpark centipede meme here.

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  • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It only impossible if you don’t try

    Reach out to your reps

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• Magister@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yep, all cars connected so you can pay $20/month for remote start and things like this. The only way to disable cellular connection in the car is to unplug the cell antenna from the module. You have to dig the information online to find where is the module and have to disassemble the dash to do so maybe? But it’s te only way. Even if you don’t pay, the connection will still work and manufacturer receives all info.

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• BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is one of the reasons I never want a car with it’s own internet connection. I’ll stick to plugging in my phone, where I’m very stingy with which apps even get location data, much less the “physical activity history” permission which allows this kind of continuous tracking (and which is usually needed because it uses Google’s algorithms / possibly neural nets to guess whether you’re driving or walking based on accelerometer / gyro / gps / magnetometer sensor fusion).

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• FalseMyrmidon@kbin.run ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The location tracking on my phone is in no way precise enough to determine this info.

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  • pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lol, that’s cute that you think that.

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    • FalseMyrmidon@kbin.run ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You've never had the location or direction be incorrect in Google Maps?

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      • pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Google Maps != carrier tracking. Your phone is perfectly capable of gathering this data using its accelerometer plus GPS and cell tower positioning.

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  • FilterItOut@thelemmy.club ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Maybe your phone, but the insurance company’s app lives on a relative’s phone, and it can determine the same things mentioned in the article.

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  • 0x0@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I miss my Nokia 3210 too.

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