Comment on US lawmakers vote 50-0 to force sale of TikTok despite angry calls from users

Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• redfox@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes. 🤷

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  • hark@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I would be more afraid of being spied on by the government of the country I live in than by a government from a foreign country. Who do you think is more capable of doing something to you?

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    • redfox@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      being spied on by the government of the country I live in than by a government from a foreign country

      Ha, that’s a decent point. I don’t really care for either. I think about these things among others:

      • China has proved they are interested in conflict. They haven’t used any kinetic/traditional warfare against anyone lately, though they seriously want to with Tiwan.
      • China has been using nonstop cyber related warfare to conduct espionage, steal trade secrets, position themselves for assisting kinetic warfare with cyber warfare, etc.

      I am not a direct target of these, but China killing the power grid or disabling telecommunications does have the potential to have a huge impact on my life.

      • The US government has used nonstop kinetic and cyber warfare over the last 20+ years.

      The US playing world police doesn’t directly threaten my safety, but I definitely would be more worried about the US than China if I wasn’t a US citizen.

      The US government spying on me:

      • Super annoying mostly due to the principle of a lack of privacy, regardless of whether I do anything bad or not
      • Becomes a serious problem if I was an active opponent of government policy and elected officials, and the government/leadership deems me a terrorist/insurrectionist/etc.

      Their discretion of what’s my free speech and right to criticize the government vs leading insurrection would be more complicated if they were using the NSA to own my life and try to use any excuse to lock me up.

      I guess I weigh what’s more likely to be a problem in my current/future life.

      I don’t like either of these scenarios.

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  • Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You have a choice to not use tiktok, in this day and age you don’t really have a choice to not use a phone…

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• nialv7@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes, governmental surveillance is always bad. But let’s not pretend being surveilled by NSA is as bad as being surveilled by the authoritarian government of China.

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  • bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    it's worse. it's worse because they have the power to arrest me, freeze my assets, or do a hundred other terrible things. the chinese can... uh... find out my sense of humor is immature i think.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The fundamental fear of TikTok isn’t censorship. It’s a media outlet that expresses views sympathetic to the Chinese government.

      If Americans are exposed to these views, there is a horrifying possibility that they my agree with them. And if Americans agree with the Chinese government, it’s just a matter of time before America crumbles from within.

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      • bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        the second paragraph, that's satire, right?

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sure bro, it’s the CCP out to oppress Americans and arrest and assassinate reformers and journalists, because they hate our freedom!

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• tpihkal@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Both are bad but fuck Xi and the CCP 🖕

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• jeremyparker@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I mean, it’s not one or the other. No interference from Congress means we get surveilled by China and the US. Congress can cut that number in half.

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• fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ve got you tagged as “CCP shill?”

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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The former is more pressing than the latter.

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