I don’t know, how can you possibly expect me to answer that. What options do you have as your local representative? Maybe run if there is no one good enough.
The power is in the hands of the voters.
That’s a really hot take. Tell me, who should I vote for to bring about these magical changes I have the power to effect?
Wanderer@lemm.ee 8 months ago
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 8 months ago
Incidentally, ranked choice voting was on the ballot where I live in 2020. I actually did spend some time trying to spread the word and drum up support. It didn’t pass, so we’re right back where we started, and I live in one of the most liberal states in the country.
Our state senators, representatives and local government are actually pretty alright, as American government goes, but the fact of the matter is that the country is being held back by a tyranny of the minority and those of us who don’t live in the handful of battleground states that define elections don’t really have much power to influence that.
Getting any sort of federal-level change into effect is basically an impossibility, because (it is my view that) corruption is so rampant. We’d have to oust the majority of the House and Senate and replace them with reasonable people to have any chance of getting the votes for something like that. At this point all we can really do is hope to hold off the fascist wave that’s building.
ABCDE@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Maybe run if there is no one good enough.
Gonna fund that? Pay for their time off?
Wanderer@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Crowd source if need be? No other country, even poorer ones have this issue?
What the hell you guys on about.
ABCDE@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t think you understand how it works in the US, nor how much time/effort which the working poor simply do not have. There’s a reason why most in politics are rich there.
MudMan@kbin.social 8 months ago
Best guess, the left of the democrats in the primaries, for a start.
It's not that you lack politicians who agree with the changes that are needed, it's that they are seen as less electable than the guy who did tons of fraud and at least one confirmed rape, somehow. I don't know that Americans are "bad people", but the fact that these common sense positions aren't the default, centrist view across both major parties is baffling.
It's a clumsy way to put it, but it's not wrong that the lack of universal consensus around these things in the US is confusing and unreasonable.
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 8 months ago
The amount of propaganda we’re subject to here is just astounding. News programs, print media, billboards, web articles, everywhere. Just looking at the way a given issue is framed completely differently in different states or cities or from different news sources is pretty eye opening. That, combined with rampant gerrymandering, makes it really hard to blame voters for voting against their self-interest; we’re just being bombarded with media designed to make us think, act and vote a certain way. I’m completely sure my own views are influenced by it, too, to be clear - I’m not claiming to be some pillar of purity.
It’s not that Americans are ‘bad people’ any more than the people in any other country are. It’s just that a relatively few voices are given very large platforms and basically dictate the discourse.
MudMan@kbin.social 8 months ago
Yeah, ok.
I don't want to speak for the OP, but... I'm guessing that's what they're saying.
I mean, this issue is not on the ballot elsewhere. Even conservatives who are actively trying to dismantle public health care won't DARE suggest that they want less public health care. At most they'll tell you they found ways to invest more and then turn around and give that money to private managers. You certainly broke through the propaganda. I don't think I've spoken to an American anywhere who has made a case for the current health care system. Polls suggest this issue, among other "aren't Americans weird" stuff are wildly impopular with the actual population.
But I also constantly hear from Americans that it's impossible to turn it around, that candidates who support these common sense moves are unelectable and that there is nothing they could ever do about it.
That part is what I don't get. I mean, I'm familiar with elections not going my way, it happens to everybody, but holy crap. There's a reason why this is not on the ballot elsewhere. You wouldn't need an election to figure this out. Even in countries with the bare minimum of democratic guarantees and no money you would have the mother of all endless riots under these circumstances.
Me, personally, I'm not so much judgemental of the American public, I'm baffled at their defeatism and conformism, though.
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 8 months ago
You certainly broke through the propaganda.
But I also constantly hear from Americans that it’s impossible to turn it around, that candidates who support these common sense moves are unelectable and that there is nothing they could ever do about it.
Have we broken through the propaganda, though? Shit, just look at the pushback around Obamacare (which while certainly not ideal was the best public option health care we’ve had available in my lifetime) - there was so much negative press that people just didn’t have any idea how it was actually benefitting them. There’s an old Facebook thread that gets posted from time to time with someone railing against Obamacare while not even realizing they were using it to get coverage.
Even in countries with the bare minimum of democratic guarantees and no money you would have the mother of all endless riots under these circumstances.
I think the biggest thing that a lot of folks from outside the US - especially those in Europe - don’t understand is just how big this country is. We are around 96% as large as the whole of Europe, with about half the population. The BLM protests was the most widespread activism we’ve managed that I can remember, and that was squashed pretty easily. It’s incredibly difficult to get a significant part of the US to coordinate on anything activism-related, and that’s really what it would take to make a difference, I think.
Darkonion@kbin.social 8 months ago
The political party I think you want is on the other side of the current democrats. Ideally, as a nation, you've gotta go left so hard that the current dems would split into right and left. It is a daunting task, and a number of elections in the making...
I honestly think it is too far gone now for it to be turned with only elections. The power is too concentrated and the methods of control are too refined. At minimum, I think it will require mass "illegal" protests along with strong voting. As a bystander in another country, I fear for you all.
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 8 months ago
That’s great in theory, but if we do that, we’re giving the government to the GOP in the interim, and they’ve made it quite clear that if they get power, they don’t intend to give it up again. Not to mention, the effects of this would extend well beyond our borders. I’ve advocated very strongly for exactly this sort of action in the past, but now is simply not the time.
Kadaj21@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Right, and the way things are going with “states rights” it sounds like the GOP are already going for family planning and birth control with Alabama’s Supreme Court ruling that fertilized embryos are “people”.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
You guys need a revolution.
Or at least someone out there breaking politicians legs so they understand what healthcare means.