Most of those laws are unenforcable and some are even undetectable.
Your ideology is getting in the way of objective fact.
moitoi@feddit.de 8 months ago
This will be an unpopular opinion here.
I’m not against AI but the rules have to be in laws and regulations. First, AI can’t use copyrighted material without paying for it. It can’t either use material without asking individually.
The second point is that AI can’t created copyrighted material. Whatever an AI created, it’s free of copyright and everyone can use it.
Third, an AI can’t be a blackbox. It has to be comprehensive how it works and what the AI is doing. A solution would be to have source available code.
Fourth, AI can’t violate laws, create and push misinformation, and material used for misinforming.
And, of course, anything created using AI has to be indentified as such.
The money is in what the AI can do, the quality of the result, and the quality of the code. All the other things isn’t valuable.
mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
xor@infosec.pub 8 months ago
1 & 2 are… #3 is impossible, though…
nintendiator@feddit.cl 8 months ago
Are you kidding? #3 is the second most possible one of that set, it’s just a matter of setting up Reproducible / Deterministic Builds.
If you can’t replicate a result with control of the software version + the arts input + the randomness seed, then “something else is going on”.
xor@infosec.pub 8 months ago
deterministic builds?
the “builds” in ai are 1,000’s of hours of supercomputers randomly mutating and evolving a gigantic neural network…
the inner workings of such are very much a black box.to try to save that in a perfectly reproducible way is completely unreasonable, and simply will never happen.
you could require all of the arts input to be documented and saved, but people would lie and you’re talking about a very large amount of data being saved for however long… also not really reasonable…
and you also have to understand that there’s a lot of countries in the world, computers are all connected on the internet, and ai will just run in other countries, and illegal systems would run in the whatever country is dumb enough to try to but completely unreasonable and expensive extra requirements like that on it.
there’s a whole field of study trying to reverse engineer neural networks after they’re created… i.e. it’s a black box to the people that make it
mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The only way to make a clear text LLM is to convert most of the hard storage that humanity produces for the next ten years into storage, and we’d need about 1/4 the processing power of bitcoin mining to have it run at ChatGPT speeds.
Even said, blackbox self-modifying AIs will be the models that win the usefulness wars, and if one country outlaws them then the only result is they will have no defense against countries that don’t feel the need to comply with them.
xor@infosec.pub 8 months ago
so, your first paragraph isn’t true. but i’ll point out that bitcoin is mined with ASIC chips entirely now, which only hash bitcoin transactions… they can’t compute anything else so it’s not really comparable…
second part i do agree with except for self-modifying… although that doesn’t seem too far away…
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I imagine that if AI devs didn’t sneak around copying people’s works in bulk but instead asked for permission or paid for a license, artists wouldn’t hate it like they do now.
MalachaiConstant@lemmy.world 8 months ago
My gut feeling says that’s not entirely true. Generative AI has so many qualities that make could it offensive to so many people, I think we were going to see a pushback from artists regardless. The devs’ shitty training practices just happened to give the artists a particularly strong case for grievances.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah artists were fine with publishing companies doing this since the dawn of literacy but this time it is completely different
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I’m fine with this as long as the “pay & ask” has an exception for non-commercial, open source projects, otherwise it would mean that only corpos can create models, and everyone else is SOL and thoroughly fucked, because they will pay a license fee to the platforms, and the platforms will just add a new TOS element that by using the platform you consent and withdraw your rights to compensation.
mint_tamas@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Your third point is an active research topic, we can’t explain exactly what generative (and other) models do beyond their generic operation.
ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 8 months ago
If we could explain it, it would just be another rules engine 😅