Are current laws against harassment insufficient?
just_another_person@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This is going to get pretty damn horrific real fast with Sora coming to general release soon. We need some restrictions and laws on the books.
wmassingham@lemmy.world 7 months ago
flipht@kbin.social 7 months ago
Correct. Most states' laws do not envision the situation we are currently seeing, let alone what's coming.
Check your state. What constitutes harassment, and can you think of harassing things that could be done without violating the law? I can for my state.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Eventually, after an investigation, police referred the case to a local prosecutor, noting that there was a probable cause to charge the student who admitted to making the photos with “Cyber Harassment.”
This is what was reported about this case.
Here is that Cyber harassment statute: app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.90.120
What’s missing?
bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 7 months ago
what are you, some kind of pedophile terrorist money-laundering drug dealer??
redcalcium@lemmy.institute 7 months ago
I kinda doubt porn would be a problem with Sora, just like it’s not a problem with Dall-e. The model is locked down in openai’s servers and open source model is no where as good yet. Even if there is a comparable downloadable models, it’ll be computationally expensive I doubt teens can freely run it.
admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 7 months ago
open source model is no where as good yet
By the time a law would be adopted, it probably will be. I wouldn’t want to rely on the “kindness” of commercial entities as the sole protector of consumer welfare. We’ve seen how well that works with Google and Facebook.
cm0002@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Even if there is a comparable downloadable models, it’ll be computationally expensive I doubt teens can freely run it.
For now, but with every new tech, hardware efficiency optimization is not too far behind. Especially considering the performance required for training != performance required for running/outputting.
Considering the glacier speeds our government moves, I’d bet on those hardware efficiency optimizations making it out before any significant law gets implemented.
GluWu@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Wait for ASICs. When I started mining bitcoin on dual core cpus I would have never believed a little USB stick would be doing 100x what 30 of those full sized pcs could. The software behind generative models still needs to be fleshed out for hardware to know what direction to go. But a little AI machine that only draws like 50w max but has 256gb of high speed RAM for model storage is not far away. Anyone with $500(or whatever idk) will be able to order a machine off ebay, load it up with whatever models they want, and start generating whatever they want locally.
GigglyBobble@kbin.social 7 months ago
I don't think it'll be as easy as calculating SHA256 hashes, so ASICs as small as this might never be a thing.
On the other hand, brains do use orders of magnitude less power, so who knows.
abhibeckert@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Um… the Taylor Swift images were Dall-e.
admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 7 months ago
the Taylor Swift porn deepfakes were Dall-e.
Got a source for that? I only have experience with DALL-E 3, but that is really picky about nudity, copyright and portrait right.
Aatube@kbin.social 7 months ago
Considering the restrictions they put on ChatGPT...
General_Effort@lemmy.world 7 months ago
What laws do you want?
How would they be enforced?
What practical effects would that have?
Int_not_found@feddit.de 7 months ago
1.) Germany has civil laws giving a person depicted similar rights as the creator of an image. It is also an criminal offense publishing images, that are designt to damage an persons public image, Those aren’t perfect, mainly because there wording is outdated, but the more general legal sentiment is there.
2.) The police traces the origin through detective work. Social Cycles in schools aren’t that huge so p2p distribution is pretty traceable & publishing sites usually have ip-logs.
A criminal court decides the severity of the punishment for the perpetrator. A civil court decides about the amount of monetary damages, that were caused and have to be compensated by the perp or his/her legal guardian.
People simply forwarding such material can also be liable (since they are distributing copyrighted material) & therefore the distribution can be slowed or stopped.,
3.) It gives the police a reason to investigate, gives victims a tool to stop distribution
General_Effort@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Germany also has laws criminalizing insults. You can actually be prosecuted for calling someone an asshole, say. Americans tend to be horrified when they learn that. I wonder if feelings in that regard may be changing.
AFAIK, it is unusual, internationally, that the English legal tradition does not have defamation (damaging someone’s reputation/public image) as a criminal offense, but only as a civil wrong. I think Germany may be unusual in the other direction. Not sure.
Ok, the police would interrogate the high-schoolers and demand to know who had the pictures, who made them, who shared them, etc… That would certainly be an important life lesson.
The police would also seize the records of internet services. I’d think some people would have concerns about the level of government surveillance here; perhaps that should be addressed.
How does that relate to encryption, for example? Some services may feel that they avoid a lot of bother and attract customers by not storing the relevant data. Should they be forced?
3.) It gives the police a reason to investigate, gives victims a tool to stop distribution & is a way to compensate the damages caused to victims
That’s what you want to happen. It does not consider what one would expect to actually happen. It’s fairly common for people of high school age to insult and defame each other. Does the German police commonly investigate this?
Int_not_found@feddit.de 7 months ago
I don’t care about the feelings of Americans reading this. Tbh
Germany is a western liberal democracy, same as the US.
On the other hand I’m horrified, that you seem to equate a quick insult with Deepfake-Porn of Minors.
Arguably the unrestricted access of government entities to this kind of data is higher in the US then the EU.
There are many entities that store data about you. Maybe the specific service doesn’t cooperate. But what about the server-hoster, maybe the ad-network, maybe the app-store, certainly the payment processor.
If the police can layout how that data can help solve the case, providers should & can be forced by judges to give out that data to an certain extent. Both in the US and the EU
Insults? No, those are mostly a civil matter not a criminal one (Deepfake-) Porn of Minors? Yes certainly
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 7 months ago
All they have to do is make examples of some kids and parents and that will be an end to this in a couple years.
RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Digitally watermark the image for identification purposes. Hash the hardware, MAC ID, IP address, of the creator and have that inserted via steganography or similar means. Just like printers use a MIC for documents printed on that printer, AI generated imagery should do the same at this point. It’s not perfect and probably has some undesirable consequences, but it’s better than nothing when trying to track down deepfake creators.
abhibeckert@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The difference is it costs billions of dollars to run a company manufacturing printers and it’s easy for law enforcement to pressure them into not printing money.
It costs nothin to produce an AI image, you can run this stuff on a cheap gaming PC or even some laptops.
And you can do it with open source software. If the software has restrictions on creating abusive material, you can find a fork with that feature disabled. If it has stenography, you can find one with that disabled too.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Honestly, I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I can better explain what I don’t want out there, and we’ve already seen some pretty awful shit. This will usher in a completely new generation of CSAM, bullying, harassment, and political sabotage. It seems we should have some protections or penalties in place to cover such things.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You say what you (don’t) want and trust in the experts (IE your representatives) to get us there. That’s reasonable. Suppose no new laws are made, perhaps because the experts think that new laws would do more harm than good, would you continue to trust the experts?