Comment on How do conspiracy theorists get all of their coveted secret government information if it's meant to be hidden and the government would never hand it over?

FiskFisk33@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Conspiracy theories can be revealed to be true. They’re not all bullshit.

  In the 90s I was in the rabbit hole about Echelon and had a healthy paranoia about my privacy.

  So when Snowden dropped the leaks about mass government surveillance I wasn’t surprised at all. I assumed everyone knew. But nope - apparently Echelon was a conspiracy theory and so was all the Snowden stuff until - it wasn’t.

  That’s my personal experience but there’s others like MKUltra.

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  • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Echelon was not so much a conspiracy theory as a sad game of telephone where increasingly disturbed people projected their increasingly distorted paranoias onto an actual thing.

    Same with HAARP. Yes, it as exists. No, It does not do that. Or that. Or even that.

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    • mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I was in a rxxit thread with some wahoo who INSISTED that ALL global warming was caused by HAARP deliberately to somehow benefit the U.S.

      I linked a wolfram alpha calc about how much energy it would take to raise the entire atmosphere 1.2 degrees.

      It was equivalent to several billion Tsar Bombs.

      Posted the evidence, stated that 'HAARP physically couldn’t push that amount of energy into the atmosphere even if it was pumping out the physical max EM that the array could handle, every day, since the day it was first brought online. It wouldn’t even be 1/2,000,000th of a tsar bomb total.

      Their response “Well, that’s your opinion.”

      And then 2 months later rxxit banned me for saying ‘punching nazis is a moral good’ and now the thread is lost forever.

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      • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The power comes from the sun. HAARP modulates the magnetic flux from the sun like the base of a giant transistor. Or the grate of a giant vacuum tube.

        At least that’s what my local conspiracy theorist told me when I raised the range point. It’s complete bunk of course, but it sounds plausible enough for anyone who is not an atmospheric scientist. Not any less plausible to the average wing nut than the whole story about carbon dioxide emission spectra in the infra red and global warming anyway. There is science words in there.

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    • Thrashy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But it did give us a damn fine concert movie from Muse, and that’s indisputable.

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• GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  He’s indicating he’s not looking to get in on any particular topic, not stating support or disagreement with anything

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