Comment on How does employing a rapist not constitute an unsafe work environment for female employees?
aidan@lemmy.world 9 months agoIt’s not the company’s responsibility to employ him.
I never said they did.
There are plenty of jobs he can get where he doesn’t interact with anyone.
Like?
OP and the other workers have a serious, legitimate, valid fear of this asshole and their rights are fundamentally more important than his, because it’s their safety and security on the line, not his
A lot of fears are valid, but that doesn’t necessarily justify acting on them.
their rights are fundamentally more important than his
That was true during his prison sentence. Now as much as he disgusts us, he has served his punishment and has his rights again.
or by extension yours. He is not you The people at that job do NOT have to suffer his presence to appease you.
What does this have to do with me?
They do NOT have to endanger themselves by being around a fucking rapist!
They can quit, they can force the employer to fire him, or they can tolerate it. Fundamentally, there is nothing he can change now to make himself more tolerable to his coworkers, and its not his employers job to punish him again.
Their rights are being violated by virtue of him being there
How?
Would you want your cousin or your sister or your mother or your wife to work in a situation like that?
Why is this the argument? Why can’t I have the option empathize with someone myself- why does it have to be a surrogate? But my mom was hospitalized 2 years ago after assault by a student who she still works with. Of course its terrifying know that could happen, but that’s why safety measures are put into place at her work place.
rape apologia is good for us peasants too?
Where did I apologize for rape? All I implied was that under the law he had served his time. He is now allowed to exist in society. If you believe in mandatory minimum of a life sentence for rape, that is a debate that can be had. But just like murderers, kidnappers, torturers, terrorists, and other horrific criminals, rapists are sometimes given a chance at freedom again. But you should separate wanting to protect people, and wanting revenge. Wanting revenge is a motive for criminal justice, but don’t try to hide it with an argument about protection and rights.
pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 9 months ago
Yes you did, and your fellow cultists have been doing that the entire day. It’s the logical inference from your stances, which you have been desperately trying to bait and switch us to accept with lame Motte and Baileys, strawmen, and complete exaggerations and distortions of your enemies – we’re you’re enemies to you, and trust me, the feeling is mutual – and you’re not getting one over on us. You’re not going to weasel your way out of arguing that employers are somehow obligated to put food on the tables of rapists.
Honestly you should know better than to presume employers are obligated of anything toward anyone. They don’t even really have any obligation to fire him, and if you genuinely were trying to be logically consistent and not some gross-ass rape apologist, you would have used that reasoning from the get-go. But you didn’t, because protecting rapists is important to you. Because you’re vile.
Like not my problem. Oh, I’m sorry, I guess that was just a dismissal instead of you doing a simple Indeed.com search for remote work. Silly me. I forgot we’re morally obligated to cater to the needs of rapists simply because you’re angry that evil people face lifelong consequences for their actions and that is somehow unfair to you (because you fear that happening to you or your friends. Implying you’re going to do something nasty to somebody)
Well, we’re not talking about a lot of fears, we’re talking about the serious and credible threat of the presence of a rapist. And OP is justified in talking to his coworkers and bosses about this whether you like it or not. Get over it, like you tell rape victims to do when you’re not brainwashing them.
You tell us, you’ve made the whole thread and OP’s serious problems he came for advice on all about you. All Damn Day.
Yep, burden’s all on everyone else and so everything must happen in favor of the rapist. The world revolves around him, and the rights of the community are secondary to his. We know that’s your stance.
Also an employer firing someone like that is an act to protect their employees and, probably more importantly for them, to protect the business from liability. It’s not even a punishment but you’re throwing a temper tantrum trying to make it out as if it is.
Actions. Have. Consequences. Get over that fact. Get over the fact that that rapist brought it upon himself, and there’s nothing you can or should do about it. What you want is not right. What you want is unconscionable and wrong.
By being a rapist, an implied rapist of women when there are women in the workplace from OP’s post. And like it or not, being a rapist makes you a threat to the community, permanently. Rape is an act you can NEVER walk away from, NEVER move on from, and given the horrific nature of the act, that’s how things must be for life to be right and just. Just because you don’t feel that way doesn’t make it not true.
Your outlook and perspective is skewed, but again, that’s because you perceive yourself as a potential rapist so that’s not a surprise.
Because you clearly don’t empathize or care about anyone other than yourself. Especially not OP or anyone in OP’s position, or his friend, or his coworkers. Or his employer, for that matter.
The entire thread. All day. Your stance is by its nature rape apologia, and you know this but you just don’t care because you don’t care about anyone other than yourself and your own feelings.
Hell, if your loved ones were in a situation like that, you would say the exact same thing you are now, and that’s what makes you a rape apologist. It doesn’t matter to you. You don’t even respect me enough to be honest about it.
You can front about it all day, but you are a rape apologist. And until you change your stance and throw away your shitty opinions on the matter, you’ll continue to be one. And one day, when something like this happens to someone you love, you really WILL tell them what you’re telling us here, and you will destroy that person. If they are a victim, you’ll either successfully brainwash them, and they will go on to destroy others, or you’ll cause them PTSD and drive them to drug addiction and suicide, statistically.
Take heart in that no employer will ever fire you for that, for what it’s worth.