And if everyone would suddenly charge $10.000 for food, a lot of people would starve to death! Does that make grocieries stores a scam?
Your scenario is just absurdly unrealistic. Https and TLS are juststandards. No single entity controls them. If all the certificate provider would suddenly charge money, you’d have a bunch of new, free certificate provider the next day.
If your browser or your OS insist on only trusting $1000 certificate, blocking access to most of the internet, then change the browser or OS. There is no grand authority telling which root certificates can be trusted. Yes, Google or Apple could scam their users this way if they wish to, but it would not make much sense for them. People would use something else.
That’s a good theory sir/lady, and actually was the case until around 10 years ago.
Then Snowden happened, and we found out that the nsa is sucking all unencrypted traffic out of the net and into their databases.
Then letsencrypt happened and now you can get your certificates for free. Don’t pay 1000$. Letsencrypt is free and you can automatically update certificates. If your hoster doesn’t offer https for free, choose a different hoster.
there's still the very real possibility they're hoovering all the encrypted data, too. and storing the stuff to/from 'interesting' end points for later 'analysis'--that is, if they don't already have the current tech broken.
Yes it’s free today. Maybe not tomorrow. And the fact remains that you need permission from a third party (basically a gov official) to have a website now. Doesn’t that trouble you?
No, and its clear you don’t understand the fundamentals here and you are throwing around baseless stats.
It’s not even about the certificate itself but the trust of who generates the cert. Just about anyone can generate a https cert, therefore it will always be free.
Who’s going to trust a company selling certs for $1000? Now that money is involved, trust is lost and the cert becomes worthless.
Dr_Satan@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Don’t play the fool.
If “charging $1000 for security certificates” became common practice (much like HTTPS) then you would be stuck paying it.
(And maybe there would be a “standards of behavior” clause in the security certificate contract too. lol)
You are now dependent on a third party gatekeeper. He can bend you over literally any way at all. He just hasn’t yet.
And that goes for the legal authority behind that authority too, of course.
cali_ash@lemmy.wtf 1 year ago
And if everyone would suddenly charge $10.000 for food, a lot of people would starve to death! Does that make grocieries stores a scam?
Your scenario is just absurdly unrealistic. Https and TLS are juststandards. No single entity controls them. If all the certificate provider would suddenly charge money, you’d have a bunch of new, free certificate provider the next day.
Dr_Satan@lemm.ee 1 year ago
But if you needed permission to be a certificate provider then you’d be stuck.
Once you are dependent upon that official certificate, upon that issuer, you’re stuck. At their mercy.
Jajcus@kbin.social 1 year ago
If your browser or your OS insist on only trusting $1000 certificate, blocking access to most of the internet, then change the browser or OS. There is no grand authority telling which root certificates can be trusted. Yes, Google or Apple could scam their users this way if they wish to, but it would not make much sense for them. People would use something else.
udon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s a good theory sir/lady, and actually was the case until around 10 years ago.
Then Snowden happened, and we found out that the nsa is sucking all unencrypted traffic out of the net and into their databases.
Then letsencrypt happened and now you can get your certificates for free. Don’t pay 1000$. Letsencrypt is free and you can automatically update certificates. If your hoster doesn’t offer https for free, choose a different hoster.
ares35@kbin.social 1 year ago
there's still the very real possibility they're hoovering all the encrypted data, too. and storing the stuff to/from 'interesting' end points for later 'analysis'--that is, if they don't already have the current tech broken.
udon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Sure, but one thing we learned is that encryption sure makes things more annoying for them
Dr_Satan@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yes it’s free today. Maybe not tomorrow. And the fact remains that you need permission from a third party (basically a gov official) to have a website now. Doesn’t that trouble you?
KingWizard@kbin.social 1 year ago
No, and its clear you don’t understand the fundamentals here and you are throwing around baseless stats.
It’s not even about the certificate itself but the trust of who generates the cert. Just about anyone can generate a https cert, therefore it will always be free.
Who’s going to trust a company selling certs for $1000? Now that money is involved, trust is lost and the cert becomes worthless.
brygphilomena@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You have the timeline backwards. That’s pretty much how it was untile letsencrypt hit the scene.
But the technology of https works even with a cert not from a trusted root issuer. You just have that annoying page to click through on web browsers.