Comment on How does employing a rapist not constitute an unsafe work environment for female employees?

• OceanSoap@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Great comment.

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• Crackhappy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You said what I intended to say much more eloquently than I could. Thanks.

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• pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wow, holy shit 🤣 Okay, let’s break this down:

  This is an understandable sentiment, but telling everyone about the charges for which this person has served their sentence in order to rally the rest of the workplace to look for ways to get them sacked is super-likely to see you face consequences for bullying.

  Uniting with other people who feel the same way isn’t bullying, it’s a sign the complaint is legitimate. If a group of people complaining about another coworker is bullying, then nothing could be done about anyone. And they couldn’t unionize either.

  Bottom line is, employees coming together over a common problem, even one employee rallying others, is done for many legitimate reasons, situations like this included. Even if you don’t agree with anything standing in the way of a known rapist working around women.

  If you don’t want to work with this person, consider explaining the circumstances to HR (noting that your friend was a victim), and say it’ll be too traumatic to work alongside them. This seems like a reasonable request to me, which should be accommodated - particularly if HR are already aware of the conviction.

  Which will force the victim, or potential victim, to cede territory to the rapist, enabling the rapist to continue harming others. 🤔 Legally, it may or may not benefit OP depending on how they respond, but it’s really not asking enough. They need to ask for the rapist to be moved. For which they’ll need the backing of other people.

  If you want vengeance, figure out a way that isn’t going to put your livelihood in jeopardy.

  No one even mentioned vengeance. Strawman elsewhere.

  Don’t squeeze more negative consequences out of an already shitty situation.

  Hahaha you just come right the fuck out and say it.

  No negative consequences for rape allowed, rapists should be able to rape and live their lives unabated.

  And if we say otherwise, well, negative consequences might come upon us.

  Finally, you need to consider the society you’re advocating for -

  Ironically I agree with you. This is a horrifying authoritarian slave racket masquerading as a representative democracy, which is run by rapists. And we unironically do have to consider their feelings, because they are the cops, judges and employers who tell others what to do and can do anything they want to you with no consequences. If we let offenders experience consequences on others for doing terrible things, that means they might have to face the music, and we all know they shouldn’t have to handle that.

  No man should have to experience consequences for rape. It’d be too much of a threat to the society that built itself on rape.

  if we’re abandoning the rule of law to keep people out of work and unable to support themselves after serving their time, we’re relegating them to be either wards of the state or homeless. We’ve already seen the issues caused by felons being barred from voting and its interplay with racial and political dynamics - how do you think manufacturing a desperate criminal underclass will work out for society?

  1. A company is not an agent of the law and what it does has no bearing on the rule of law

  2. Banning rapists from working around women in no wa would break the rule of law if it was an actual law. We already have sex offender registries and yet somehow the world will keep on turning

  3. Rapists can go take jobs that doesn’t require them to be around other people.

  4. Blackmailing and threatening us with the implied threat of harm from disenfranchised rapists is the exact same vengeance you accuse your opponents of having. You literally became exactly what you claim to hate. You. The one wielding it like an emotional cudgel when no one brought it up. But it is certainly like you to project your faults onto others. It’s what rape apologists do, after all.

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  • WaxedWookie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Would you like me to point out why your nonsense is nonsense, or would you rather take the opportunity walk back the things (I assume) you said because you were using me as a proxy for your dislike of the way reality works?

    Helpful hint: Responding to this requires one line not 20 paragraphs.

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    • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I would like you to stop being a rape apologist and actually think about someone other than yourself.

      Helpful hint: Responding to this requires one line not 20 paragraphs.

      You wouldn’t know it for the walls of text you and your ilk have been dropping on people in the thread non-stop all day, but sure, go ahead and completely ignore everything you were told so you can avoid facing how monstrous your stance is.

      Hopefully you won’t ever be in a situation like OP. But then again, if you were, you’d destroy your relationships with your coworkers defending the rapist, so 🤷

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      • WaxedWookie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Don’t embarrass yourself further by telling me what other people think as you’re getting downvoted this hard.

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