lying, is Russian doctrine
Its true. The entire Russian language is just a series of elaborate lies with grammar and syntax. It is impossible to say three consecutive true statements in a Slavic language.
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Greyghoster@aussie.zone 11 months ago
Disinformation or more accurately, lying, is Russian doctrine. Everything that they say seems to be a lie and designed to delay appropriate action.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 months ago
psud@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That sounds more racist than true
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
I think they are joking.
That said, правда (“truth” as something you believe to be true) and истина (“truth” as objective truth) are different words in Russian, but not having that distinction in a language doesn’t prevent its speakers from making it.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 months ago
In English, you’d just describe that as “objective” and “subjective”. This isn’t in any way uniquely Russian. But its nice to pretend it is, because it plays well with demonizing something you’re unfamiliar with.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
I think every literate soul in Afghanistan would agree that this isn’t really limited to Russia.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 11 months ago
All sides are doing it in every war, be wary what you trust
agent_flounder@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Of course. That’s been true since the dawn of humanity.
Russia has a certain flavor of lying that I don’t see elsewhere. They make claims that are so utterly ridiculous that everyone knows it is complete bullshit. It’s like some weird gaslighting / dominance thing. Lavrov and Putin are pros at this.
Purely by coincidence, you see a similar technique employed by one of the two major US presidential candidates. Only his approach is to repeat the ridiculous lie enough times that some people believe it.
mellowheat@suppo.fi 11 months ago
Hitler described “große Lüge” in Mein Kampf in 1925.
AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 11 months ago
I like the bluntness of the name. BIG LIE
sukhmel@programming.dev 11 months ago
And I have already seen some people advocating for Putin say that if you compare Putin with Hitler you’ve lost.
What this also implies is that the more one’s actions resemble actions of Hitler the easier it would be to win over opponents in discussion because they will inevitably come up with this comparison
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
There is one other place I do see this strategy replicated, which is from the IDF.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Turkey and Azerbaijan
China
half the African continent
…
seems to not be some innovation limited to specific countries really.
kwozyman@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Sure, but for Russia it’s the actual doctrine: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_deception
maorofl@lemy.lol 11 months ago
How is it worse than the US military deception doctrine?
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
How about instead of linking to documents you do the analysis yourself.
But to spare you the burden: Remember when Bush came clean and said that all those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq were a lie? And how that didn’t go down well with the west, and how many western countries already called bullshit before the US even invaded? That kind of stuff is doctrine in Russia, not just in the military but also when it comes to securing regime power internally. It’s how Putin won his first election, by blowing up apartment buildings and blaming it on Chechens. Another important thing is to tell so many lies and contradictory things that the very notion of truth gets demolished, that people throw up their hands and say “I’d rather be apolitical than try to figure out what’s what”.
Western military deception OTOH is more of the “blink right, turn left” kind, it’s about anticipating the opponent’s analysis of the situation and exploiting that, either by feint or because they have a blind spot. And even then you want to be careful because damaging trust is often worse than taking a hit you could’ve avoided with deception.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Now do the CIA