Comment on Canada to ban the Flipper Zero to stop surge in car thefts

• QBertReynolds@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Only 30+ year old cars, but a coat hanger can do that too. Soooo…

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  • 4am@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Trudeau to ban coat hangers, other clothing care items, after rash of thefts of ancient vehicles”

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  • Fapper_McFapper@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And you need additional hardware and custom firmware. Then you have to GitHub that shit into the flipper.

    Most people think it works like Dr. Who’s sonic screwdriver. Just press a button, wave it around and voila! You’re in the NSA database.

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    • QBertReynolds@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Signal playback doesn’t require anything extra. I love that their docs have a giant warning to not use it on new cars though.

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      • twack@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Isn’t that because it can desync the actual keyfob?

        Nvm… Clicked the link. That’s exactly why you shouldn’t do that.

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  • usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is that why I haven’t seen a wire coat hanger in forever?

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    • Restaldt@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No the world just ran out of coat hanger bones and is trying to hide it with plastic replacements

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  • coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Who are you fooling? Tech savvy people don’t know how to handle coat hangers.

    Plus videos show you that it also works on newer cars. To much Hassle though, but thatch’s also mentioned in the article.

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    • QBertReynolds@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Those videos are staged. The signal playback trick doesn’t work on newer cars because the code changes every time you lock or unlock your car. You could probably replicate the functionality of a key fob on your Flipper, but it would need to be registered with the car’s computer the same as any other key fob, which means you’d already have to have to access to the car.

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      • Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There are definitely some basic attacks that you can do with a flipper. They are quite a bit more limited than what you can do with an SDR though, and I’m skeptical that they are widely deployed by anyone. You definitely can’t steal a car like this, you can possibly unlock one. But hammers are much more useful in that regard and have a significantly lower skill floor.

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• agent_flounder@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Butter knives can be used to murder people. Quick let’s ban them to solve all murder.

  JFC.

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  • coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He/she stated that you can’t steal a car with a flipper. But you can. That it isn’t a go to tool is something else.

    Besides this, you can use a flipper as a butter knife…

    Snow fucking white.

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    • agent_flounder@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Some folks may not realize it is a go to tool for many things

      Flipper Zero - Wikipedia Flipper Zero is a portable Tamagotchi-like multi-functional device developed for interaction with access control systems. The device is able to read, copy, and emulate RFID and NFC tags, radio remotes, iButton, and digital access keys, along with a GPIO interface.

      It is a swiss army knife for RF access control systems as well as harmless, related things like remote controls.

      It is used by penetration testers (information security professionals) to do myriad kinds of legit, legal work in their field.

      Like any tool it can be used for good or evil. The problem isn’t the tool but the vulnerabilities in cars demonstrating shocking negligence on the part of manufacturers.

      Banning the tools just gives us a false sense of security. The vulnerability still exists. It isn’t that difficult for someone to either get the tool, reproduce the tool, or make a new tool with existing parts. Meanwhile law abiding people cannot find the vulnerabilities as easily.

      This mostly only serves to penalize a smallish company and protect large car manufacturers from the consequences of their negligence.

      It is already illegal to steal cars. Why would criminals risking felony jail time care about whether their tools are suddenly illegal, too?

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