Well yeah, context derives meaning which is why words have multiple definitions. I’m not disparaging the differently abled but people’s surface level disdain for it is tedious. Barely a decade ago it was the polite way to characterize someone but we needlessly allow words themselves to be tainted rather than take the time to address the context and the meaning used with it.
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FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 months agoI personally would prefer it not be used around here in general. I don’t delete it overall, but I will occasionally depending on its usage. I have known too many good people with intellectual disabilities who were abused by bullies calling them that word.
RealFknNito@lemmy.world 9 months ago
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’m sorry, it was not “the polite way to characterize someone” barely a decade ago. It was a big insult when I was in school in the 80s and 90s.
RealFknNito@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Sir it was in a Disney show when I was growing up. Yes, it was the polite way to say it.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Sorry… why does it matter that it was in a Disney show when you were growing up?
Again, ‘retarded’ has been an insult for a very long time. It hasn’t even been federally legal to use the term “mental retardation” since 2010 (more than “barely a decade”) and by that time, the only people using the term was the federal government. The same federal government that used ‘negro’ until the 2000s. Are you going to claim ‘negro’ was the polite way to refer to a person in 1995 next?
But sure, call it polite. People who are actually bullied by it would disagree with you.
specialolympics.org/…/why-the-r-word-is-the-r-slu…
www.spreadtheword.global/…/r-word-effects
GiveMemes@jlai.lu 9 months ago
Ok but like so are the terms idiot and dumb and moron. We’ve turned them all into insults derived from their original meanings, but that doesn’t mean we should never use the words. Context matters.
papalonian@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Hey, I’ve got a (albeit very minor) mental disability and I use the word casually around friends all the time, but I just want to point out that it’s you and me that are tainting the word, your comment makes it sound like “other” people are the cause of it no longer being a clinical diagnosis rather than an insult.
That being said it’s definitely falling out of favor in the public eye. It probably won’t be too long before it’s viewed at or close to the same level as the hard R. I think a lot of us are getting cancelled in 20 years.
RealFknNito@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The only way words become tainted is when they’re used to attack people. Using it for a good natured joke or even self deprecating humor can have a positive effect on it. If we all stopped saying it, the few people who choose not to stop and continue to use it to attack people, like “The hard R word” will be seen as extreme. And as someone who enjoys language, attributing words as the source of hate instead of the people who conjure it gives me great conniptions.
papalonian@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Using it for a good natured joke or even self deprecating humor can have a positive effect on it.
I really don’t think you’re gonna have many people agreeing with you on this one… it’s hard to say a joke is good natured when it uses a word that defines a group of people as an insult. The context isn’t going to matter to someone with a disability who’s been called a retard maliciously. To use the same example as before, there are plenty of “good natured” people that use the hard R for humor and it pretty much is never gonna land. Or when a gay person hears a straight person say something is gay, they don’t really care how many gay friends you have.
Just to be clear I’m not trying to tell you not to use it. Like I said before, I’m an asshole and use it with my friends too. But I realize this makes me an asshole, and instead of trying to spread my asshole around (phrasing…) and convince the people I’m offending that they shouldn’t be offended, I keep it to my circle of asshole friends and accept it when people tell me I’m being an asshole.
As someone who enjoys language, you understand that it changes over time. The time period where “retard” is a word that can be thrown around on a TV show without repercussion is coming to an end, just like the time period where calling gay people fags and black people negro or worse came to an end before. Language is not static, we can try to pretend it is but that’s just not how it works.
Hope this didn’t come off as a rant or anything. Just trying to give my understanding, one retard to another.
aidan@lemmy.world 9 months ago
People are bullied by a lot of words, stupid, dumb, crazy, ugly, gross. Context of the words used is what matters. Obviously bullying is not acceptable, but a self-deprecating joke is okay.