Comment on Vivaldi explains why they will not embed LLM functionality in their browser

Fudoshin@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Webpage authors use LLMs to generate extremely long articles, to make you scroll by ads for longer. You use LLMs in your browser to summarize those articles. The circle of life, or something.

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  • akrot@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I stumbled upon a website through DDG, and after a long intro, the main section supposedly where the thing I was searching for had “Sorry I can’t fulfill your request right now”. Basically a fully generated page to match my search with some parasitic seo tactics. The web be chaging. Front page of DDG.

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    • Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Reminds me of the amazon products titled: “I’m sorry but I cannot fulfill this request it goes against OpenAI use policy,”.

      I think we’re way beyond the point of no return. The internet has been ruined for good.

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  • jaybone@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The circle of death.

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I do this already. It’s great. Kagi has a browser plugin that does it.

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• dantheclamman@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Edge is branding itself “The AI Browser”. Chrome has plans to embed LLMs for text input. Opera, the browser which was commandeered from the original Vivaldi team and turned into a crypto/VPN gimmick browser, is of course among the hardest leaning into the LLM trend.

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  • Fudoshin@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Cheers DANNY BOOOOOOOYYY!

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• Byter@lemmy.one ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’d love a browser-embedded LLM that had access to the DOM.

  “Highlight all passages that talk about yadda yadda. Remove all other content. Convert the dates to the ISO standard. Put them on a number line chart, labeled by blah.”

  That’d be great UX.

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  • JoeyJoeJoeJr@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You are falling into a common trap. LLMs do not have understanding - asking it to do things like convert dates and put them on a number line may yield correct results sometimes, but since the LLM does not understand what it’s doing, it may “hallucinate” dates that look correct, but don’t actually align with the source.

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    • Byter@lemmy.one ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thank you for calling that out. I’m well aware, but appreciate your cautioning.

      I’ve seen hallucinations from LLMs at home and at work (where I’ve literally had them transcribe dates like this). They’re still absolutely worth it for their ability to handle unstructured data and the speed of iteration you get – whether they “understand” the task or not.

      I know to check my (its) work when it matters, and I can add guard rails and selectively make parts of the process more robust later if need be.

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  • daed@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s actually fascinating to think about. Would be a fun project to mash something like Blazor Server and an LLM together and allow users to just kindly ask to rewrite the DOM in plain English.

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  • Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Arc has an LLM that lets you replace your search functionality with search or ask, where if you type a question it tries to answer it based on the content on the page. Kinda close to what you’re talking about.

    Arc is genuinely trying to use LLMs in their browser in interesting ways.

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• Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Local translation of text comes to mind.

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  • AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yup, Firefox has it: browser.mt (it’s now a native part of Firefox)

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    • youngGoku@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hmm maybe this is why Firefox is so damn slow on my raspberry pi

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      • AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Hmm I don’t think it’s because of that feature, because it only runs when you explicitly ask it to translate a page for you.

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  • Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Firefox has that already (without using an LLM). But yeah, it’s still another way this could be implemented or possibly improved.

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  • Shurimal@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Vivaldi has had local translation for about half a year now. No need for LLM for this feature.

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  • Fudoshin@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I was thinking more along the lines of communicating with a Klingon captain on a D7 Battlecruiser.

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• LibreFish@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Quick tool to summarize a page, proofread, or compare it to another source. Still needs a functioning human brain to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak, but I could see a LLM (especially local) being useful in some ways.

  I’m sure there are disabilities or unique use cases that could increase it’s usefulness, especially once they improve more.

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