Didn’t even think of it as a possibility. WTF would a browser need with LLM?
Vivaldi explains why they will not embed LLM functionality in their browser
Submitted 11 months ago by dantheclamman@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/vivaldi-wont-allow-a-machine-to-lie-to-you/
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Fudoshin@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Ephera@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Webpage authors use LLMs to generate extremely long articles, to make you scroll by ads for longer. You use LLMs in your browser to summarize those articles. The circle of life, or something.
akrot@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I stumbled upon a website through DDG, and after a long intro, the main section supposedly where the thing I was searching for had “Sorry I can’t fulfill your request right now”. Basically a fully generated page to match my search with some parasitic seo tactics. The web be chaging. Front page of DDG.
jaybone@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The circle of death.
Steve@communick.news 11 months ago
I do this already. It’s great. Kagi has a browser plugin that does it.
dantheclamman@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Edge is branding itself “The AI Browser”. Chrome has plans to embed LLMs for text input. Opera, the browser which was commandeered from the original Vivaldi team and turned into a crypto/VPN gimmick browser, is of course among the hardest leaning into the LLM trend.
Fudoshin@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Cheers DANNY BOOOOOOOYYY!
Byter@lemmy.one 11 months ago
I’d love a browser-embedded LLM that had access to the DOM.
“Highlight all passages that talk about yadda yadda. Remove all other content. Convert the dates to the ISO standard. Put them on a number line chart, labeled by blah.”
That’d be great UX.
JoeyJoeJoeJr@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
You are falling into a common trap. LLMs do not have understanding - asking it to do things like convert dates and put them on a number line may yield correct results sometimes, but since the LLM does not understand what it’s doing, it may “hallucinate” dates that look correct, but don’t actually align with the source.
daed@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s actually fascinating to think about. Would be a fun project to mash something like Blazor Server and an LLM together and allow users to just kindly ask to rewrite the DOM in plain English.
Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Arc has an LLM that lets you replace your search functionality with search or ask, where if you type a question it tries to answer it based on the content on the page. Kinda close to what you’re talking about.
Arc is genuinely trying to use LLMs in their browser in interesting ways.
Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Local translation of text comes to mind.
AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yup, Firefox has it: browser.mt (it’s now a native part of Firefox)
Ephera@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Firefox has that already (without using an LLM). But yeah, it’s still another way this could be implemented or possibly improved.
Shurimal@kbin.social 11 months ago
Vivaldi has had local translation for about half a year now. No need for LLM for this feature.
Fudoshin@feddit.uk 11 months ago
I was thinking more along the lines of communicating with a Klingon captain on a D7 Battlecruiser.
LibreFish@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Quick tool to summarize a page, proofread, or compare it to another source. Still needs a functioning human brain to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak, but I could see a LLM (especially local) being useful in some ways.
I’m sure there are disabilities or unique use cases that could increase it’s usefulness, especially once they improve more.
wolfruff@pawb.social 11 months ago
Yet another reason why I use Vivaldi over every other chromium fork.
sebinspace@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Still a Chromium fork.
sab@kbin.social 11 months ago
Same. Which is to say I have it installed and boot it along with GNOME Web every time I need to check that my shitty web programming work outside of Gecko. Which is thankfully rare.
DingoBilly@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Basically, there’s no commercial benefit at this stage.
Once there is benefit they will add it in.
Whole lot of article for nothing.
dantheclamman@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s not what they said at all.
DingoBilly@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah they did, but with some nice words around it all.
Did you read the article? It’s literally that llms are not at a stage where they’re useful. And then they end that once they become useful they’ll look at adding them in.
And Vivaldi is a business like any other, so it’s ultimately commercially driven. If you think they’re just running the business for the sake of being good then you’re incredibly naive.
SpeechToTextCloud@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Kind of ironic how they use an AI generated article image
soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 11 months ago
dantheclamman@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Another cue is that the numbers aren’t gobbledigook
sebinspace@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Just described most people
SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Coincidentally, also why I don’t care much for most social media content.
bamboo@lemm.ee 11 months ago
And yet here you are