Comment on When people say the phrase "Don't hate the player, hate the game", it removes responsibility from the player

• givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The reason that doesn’t make sense, is billionaires are the only ones with the power to fix the economic system thru political donations.

  The saying isn’t meant for your example, because they’re not just players. Their also the refs and the ones who wrote the rules for the game.

  Like:

  It is what is

  That makes sense if said between prisoners about how shitty jail is. But if a prison guard beat an inmate and then said that, it doesn’t make sense.

  Just because it’s not true 100% of the time for 100% of people doesn’t mean it’s worthless. By that logic no phrase should exist

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• zeppo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I agree, I’ve said that about this phrase before! I can hate the player too. Not one of my favorite maxims.

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• intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Legislation is not the only game being referred to by this saying.

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  • themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No, but it was OP’s example. Use it in any ither context, and I’ll tell you why the player is also a shitty person, regardless of the game.

    Is it a guy being emotionally manipulative to have relationships with multiple women? Yeah, he’s a shitbag.

    Is it a business resorting to underhanded, but profitable, practices to corner the market and boost income? Shitbags.

    Is it the kid cheesing that one move to win every battle? Shit. Bag.

    I mean, there are degrees of being a shitty person. But anyone saying “don’t hate the player, hate the game,” knows they are doing something shitty and are doing it anyway because they can.

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• Prunebutt@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If a game inevitably leads to billionaires unless you can count on all individuals being moral people, I take the liberty of hating the game that sets things up like that.

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  • themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Any system can be abused. Amoral assholes will always exist. We have a system that rewards amoral assholes with wealth and power. Hate both the player and the game.

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    • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Of course you can hate both. But I think the phrase tries to make you focus on systemic issues instead of individualising them.

      I can hate Elon Musk. But if he wasn’t there, someone else would fill the dipshit shaped hole the system leaves for him.

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      • themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I understand the meaning, and you’re right that the system would just reward a different dipshit. But Elon is there, and he is a dipshit deserving of scorn. If it was someone else being a dipshit, then I’d hate them for being a dipshit.

        The system should prevent people like Elon from amassing so much wealth and power. But even if it did, he would still be a dipshit.

        Hate the game, hate the player, because both fucking suck.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We have a system that rewards people for producing value. You can see the effects of this system all around you, in the absolutely massive wealth that surrounds and serves you every day.

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      • themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “Producing value.” Nobody produces a billion dollars worth of value. It takes thousands of people to produce their value, and they keep most of it by fucking over the people that work for them.

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      • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “Value” is a socially loaded construct. Some people value golf courses more that a healthy ecosystem.

        Someone else has to suffer for the wealth you enjoy.

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