Comment on Pika Labs new generative AI video tool unveiled — and it looks like a big deal

Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• ElBarto@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No one is stopping people from making art, lazy people will use this to do things they want, but artists will make art because that’s what they do.

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  • Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m more concerned about the fact that shitty companies will use this sort of thing to put graphic designers out of a job.

    This isn’t good progress. Even soulless corporate bullshit puts food on the table for someone, soon it’ll just make another company a bit richer.

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    • zazo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Look I’m not supporting mega rich assholes extracting even more from working people, but would you use the same argument for textile weavers and the Jacquard loom? Sure a lot of people lost their jobs at the time, but most, if not all, respecialized and we got computers in the end so would you say it wasn’t good progress? 🤷

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      • Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Except that this is entirely unrcessary, and doesn’t create a product we need, and it’s certainly not one I want.

        I want to support people, I want people to do beautiful incredible things. I don’t want a higher production rate of souless art statistically generated by taking the work of thousands of people without their consent, for no good reason.

        Replace CEOs with AI, that would be good progress.

        I also mentioned in another comment that this technology has some very very good uses, I am convinced creating art is an evil use. I’m a big fan of projects like Talon Voice, you can donate voice samples to help improve their language model to help people who struggle to use a computer with their hands. It’s amazing stuff and I love it.

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      • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Textile weavers still exist, they just get paid even less and live in third world countries. “AI” is the same - a lot of the training is done by underpaid folks leaving in Kenya and Tanzania. They have to label the gore and CP so that the “AI” won’t use it. Post traumatic stress disorder is pretty common…

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      • BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Advancements like the loom usually just affect one industry (yes, there are ripples in the whole economy) and it’s not like we got that, the printing press, the internal combustion engine, the computer, and the telephone all at once. AI, if properly trained, can do nearly any task so it’s not just artists that are in danger of becoming obsolete.

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      • PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Like… That was bad too. What we need to do is ditch capitalism before we automate everything.

        It doesn’t function if nobody has jobs.

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    • rambaroo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They’ve already been doing that

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  • echo64@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Capitalism optimizes for lazy over good. Who’s going to be able to pay rent as an artist in your dystopia

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    • ElBarto@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What artists do you know that make money off their art? The starving artist not being able to make money to survive has been a thing since before Van Gogh’s time.

      We’ve automated the food making process, but people still make money off of preparation of food, there’s always going to be a market for artists, but that market will be different.

      These AI things are great tools to assist artists, but the fear mongering gets in the way.

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      • echo64@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What artists do you know that make money off their art?

        this is such a bad take, I present to you, society. and the hundreds of thousands if not millions, tens or hundreds of millions of employed (either self or through businesses) artists.

        and using the “starving artist” as a goal we should transition to just really sucks in concept. I’m not sure you would say the same if it was your profession.

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      • Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No, this is a tool that does all of the work of an artist. It is absolutely not an assistant.

        That’s a bad faith argument, and it’s actively harmful. Artists are struggling yes, and this just makes that worse, it won’t be a separate market that somehow doesn’t impact them.

        If you think we should actually work to make it harder for artists to do things, that it’s actually good that they struggle, then you have some messed up priorities, friend.

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  • PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    All it means is that at art as a career is dead.

    Guess we want everyone working in retail or something

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    • Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s already the system outside of creating what rich people want. An entire team of artists creating boardroom directed art is much less art to me than a single creative using AI to bring their personal vision to life.

      Hopefully individual artists can do more with these tools, and we can all hope for a world where artists can be supported to have the ability and freedom to create apart from the whims of the wealthy.

      Starving artist is a term for a reason. Technology has never been the real problem.

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      • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        An entire team of artists creating boardroom directed art is much less art to me than a single creative using AI to bring their personal vision to life

        This is honestly repulsive to me. Needing to pay rent doesn’t mean artists stop putting effort and creativity into what they’re doing. If you’ve ever enjoyed a movie, game, or music that isn’t indie produced then you’ve seen the value in what you’re shitting on here, because regardless of how it’s marketed none of that is the vision of a single creative, either. If anything larger projects are often able to catch lightning in a bottle, as many people contribute ideas and spin things in directions that a single person wouldn’t have seen.

        And at least they all started from a basic level of artistic vision and competency, and had the integrity to do their own work. If the only reason someone can call themselves an artist is because of AI, they’re not an artist, they’re a plagiarist.

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    • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Doesn’t everyone want to be a creative? Turns out you gotta be able to afford it. I work for a living. If everyone worked for a living, I could afford some time and space to myself to do what I like with it. Unfortunately work supports art and people are trying to pass off their fun time as a contribution so I’m supporting them regardless. I’d rather everyone supported themselves so I can art without anyone else’s input.

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      • Muyal@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t like this, because one of the most used arguments in favor of capitalism is supposedly the free market and how you are allowed to make money doing what you like. If now it turns out that only a few things are classified as jobs then… where are the benefits of capitalism?

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  • mannycalavera@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Dey took arrr jeeerbs!

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    • ElBarto@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      DEEY DOOK DUR DOORBS

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  • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Art is just fine. Credit for it is in jeopardy.

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• burliman@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is not the way to look at this. Stop thinking this stuff will replace human art. Until we can simulate a human in the machine (not there yet), art will always be by humans because it is a human endeavor recognized and appreciated only by humans.

  These things are tools for a human to use. And like any tool that is used in the hands of the casual or the lazy, it will become very banal indeed once the shininess wears off. With your same outlook you could tell Adobe to stop improving the digital brushes in Photoshop, because art is only for humans.

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  • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think a good analogy is clipart, or those horrible corporate memphis/algeria graphics. They look awful, but they are just good enough at illustrating an idea that many companies will use them rather than hiring an artist. The thing is, corporations almost never want art. They want illustrations.

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• bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  AI doesn’t generate art. Art is about using media in order to convey a perspective on the world and to illicit emotions from the audience. What AI generated is simply the media itself. It isn’t capable of having the point of view or life experiences needed to create actual art.

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  • banneryear1868@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    People forget art isn’t just a product it’s an activity people do.

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  • LWD@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Which is a shame, because now every Google search for art is polluted with it.

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• Lmaydev@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I quite like AI art.

  It’s capable of generating things that we’ve not seen before because as hard as we try what we create always has a human filter on it.

  If people don’t like it it won’t catch on anyway.

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  • Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I do not like theft laundering machines.

    I like people.

    AI actually has good uses when embedded within technology, a great example being natural language processing, it’s capable of so much good especially the disabled. But so much effort is being focused on creating junk, using stolen data. People are not being paid for their work which is then being used to replace their jobs.

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    • zazo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Do you think the software engineers who are developing the AI models (which have been trained on freely given away code) are just stupid and are willingly creating a machine that will take away their jobs because they don’t understand the impacts? Or could it be that they do understand the stakes, but continue on despite that because of (as you mention) the unfathomable good the technology can bring? I would hope most people would be willing to sacrifice their wellbeing now for the betterment of everyone else in the future.

      If you’re still understandably worried tho - just start a garden and begin building tightly knit communities now, since you never know when a solar flare will wipe all our technological progress away…

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      • Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Do you understand that there’s a choice about what purpose to make these for?

        That yeah, you can just ignore all the harm you’ll do? That people do just ignore all the harm they are doing?

        No, I’m not one to call people stupid. I’m calling people and corporations greedy, there’s an insanely long history of that and I’m sick of it ruining this world.

        People do choose to make good AI, ones that will and currently are benefiting people. This is not one of them, I’m not calling all AI bad, I’m calling theft and soulless art generation bad.

        What if a solar flare hits? What if the world was made of pudding?

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    • Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You should read this article by Kit Walsh, a senior staff attorney at the EFF. The EFF is a digital rights group that recently won a historic case: border guards now need a warrant to search your phone.

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  • Custodian1623@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Have you ASKED artists to draw these things they’re supposedly incapable of?

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    • zazo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ah yes, because the favorite part of the process for every artist is the hours spent going back and forth with their client touching up the most minor details instead of creating art they actually want to make…

      Idk, I feel AI art only affects commercial artists who first and foremost care about making money off their art form. The ones that actually make art for the love of the craft (without expectation of getting anything in return) aren’t really affected in any way.

      TL;DR Let UBI free artists from the capitalistic yoke and let the oligarchs use AI to automate the soulless part of art creation that nobody enjoys anyways.

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      • Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        In what world is it a bad thing for someone to get paid for their skills? That’s a bizarre spin to put on it.

        And yes, UBI should definitely happen, but we shouldn’t start painting the world with crap to do it.

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      • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah, service isn’t art. If you’re making “art” for someone else’s money, you’re performing a service. You’re not an artist. Remember when YouTube was mostly just people getting their ideas out and going viral was because something was awesome instead of being designed to spread? Now it’s every kid and their grandma trying to be an influencer so they can have fun with other people’s money for a living.

        When what you’re doing isn’t for the clients’ money, it can be art. There’s no constraint this way.

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    • Womble@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Exactly, personalised art should only be for those who can afford to pay for it. Expanding that privilege to more people is very bad.

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      • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s literally a luxury, and trying to yank the rug out from under the artists who actually made the art the plagiarism machine runs on isn’t going to change that. You don’t need personalized art, and if you REALLY REALLY want personalized art super bad then that just underlines the value that artists give to society.

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    • Lmaydev@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As a human I can’t imagine them so how would I. Also money

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• glowie@h4x0r.host ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We were only meant to be wage slaves /s

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