Comment on The first minds to be controlled by generative AI will live inside video games

• penguin@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well no one can prove they have a mind to anyone other than themselves.

  And to extend that, there’s obviously a way for electrical information processing to give rise to consciousness. And no one knows how that could be possible.

  Meaning something like a true, alien AI would probably conclude that we are not conscious and instead are just very intelligent meat computers.

  So, while there’s no reason to believe that current AI models could result in consciousness, no one can prove the opposite either.

  I think the argument currently boils down to, “we understand how AI models work, but we don’t understand how our minds work. Therefore, ???, and so no consciousness for AI”

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  • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “No brain?”

    “Oh, there’s a brain all right. It’s just that the brain is made out of meat! That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you.”

    “So … what does the thinking?”

    “You’re not understanding, are you? You’re refusing to deal with what I’m telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat.”

    “Thinking meat! You’re asking me to believe in thinking meat!”*

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  • ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • Yearly1845@reddthat.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfmFfD2RIcg&pp=ygUPZWxpNSBu…

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• bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I can prove to you ChatGPT doesn’t have a mind. Just open up the Sunday Times Cryptic Crossword and ask ChatGPT to solve and explain the clues.

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  • OrderedChaos@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m confused by this idea. Maybe I’m just seeing it from the wrong point of view. If you asked me to do the same thing I would fail miserably.

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    • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not the original intent, but you’d likely immediately throw your hands up and say you don’t know, an LLM would hallucinate an answer.

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    • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But some humans can, since they require simultaneous understanding of words’ meanings as well as how they are spelled

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      • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What should we conclude about most humans who cannot solve these crosswords?

        It should be relatively easy to train an LLM to solve these puzzles. I am not sure what that would show.

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  • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Can you please explain the reasoning behind the test?

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• huginn@feddit.it ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well there are 2 options:

  Either I’m a real mind separate and independent of you or I’m a figment of your imagination.

  At which point you have to ask yourself: why are you so convinced you’re an unlovable and insufferable twat?

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