Comment on 41% of fediverse instances have blocked threads so far!!!
corbin@infosec.pub 1 year ago
FOSS bros: we’re all about user choice!
also FOSS bros: no not like that
This is like inviting the Catholic church in an institution specifically built to protect former victims of same and similar institutions.
Given that anyone can start an instance and federate with Threads, or join an instance that does, freedom of choice is unaffected.
Are you seriously comparing systemic rape and abuse to your “big company bad” ideology?
That’s fucked up.
Meta is partially responsible for genocide, so it’s not actually that much of a stretch, honestly.
That’s literally like saying Victorinox helps support crime because people who commit crime sometimes use knives.
You are literally washing over the fact that this atrocity was fuelled and perpetrated by religious fanatics and corrupted governments.
Literally the only part which speaks about Facebook is that “social media may have helped spread the violent message” and that Facebook refused to share user data with investigators. Which without a warrant is standard practice.
You are doing the equivalent of putting pictures on a board and drawing strings between them.
What a ridiculous argument. They’re not saying big tech companies are necessarily as abusive as those other organisations, they’re saying people might want to avoid them in the same way.
By contrast your comment, intentionally or otherwise, suggests the only valid reason to avoid interacting with an organisation is if you were literally raped by them. Now that is fucked up.
No it’s real simple, you lot act like these big tech companies are evil personified but happily look the other way or hand out whataboutism out like candy when it is some group, institution or ideology you support doing the same or even more fucked up shit.
Bunch of delusional fanatics.
Do you not understand how metaphors work? Nothing is being “compared” here.
This is actually a simile, not a metaphor.
We just don’t want history repeating itself like what happened with xmpp. Do you really think facebook of all companies is joining the fediverse with good intentions? Do you really think they’re not trying to monopolize this?
I would like to point out that xmpp still exists. Google Talk does not. WhatsApp killed xmpp, not Google
I never mentioned google. And sure, xmpp exists but it’s dead and would be much better off if not for big tech giants
Where did they even mention Google in their comment?
Because every time this argument starts, someone mentions how they don’t want the fediverse to go down the xmpp path, and the argument has its origin in this article
Last I checked, the people using XMPP are still running happily using servers and clients.
All 17 of them.
I gotta ask… were you around and actively using xmpp around that time?
Because I was. And xmpp struggling had nothing to do with Google
You’re downplaying your own part, in between those two statements.
Internet rando: “I choose to enable this corporate, repeat privacy offender in stongarming its way into the open, federated web”
How is Threads going to breach your privacy by federating with your instance? How is de federating from Threads going to protect your privacy?
Do you think this is Threads’ final form? Embrace, extend, extinguish. This is what corporations do. Everything is a zero sum game in their minds, and they will act in the best interest of shareholders. That shit has no business here.
Yeah, yeah, parrot the line and then please explain how?
Extending means making extra functionality that others haven’t implemented, so that your offering is more attractive. You use it to build a walled garden. Defederation just skips that step and does it for them. They don’t even have to extend.
I was going to reply but you nailed it. Its about outmaneuvering smaller competitors and controlling the marketplace, and then harvesting user data for profit.
Embrace, extend, extinguish.
Serious question: how?
Second question: why?
What are the mechanics by which they are going extend or extinguish the fediverse and how would they do that from a technical standpoint? Second, why when the entire fediverse with years of time behind it is a rounding error compared to a product they launched like 6 months ago. Why does Meta give a tiny shit about the fedi compared to TikTok, for example?
sometimes, it’s just about the principle.
and if the principle is “keep zucc the fuck away from the fediverse”, i’m all for it.
But it doesn’t keep him away. Defederation means they consume all of the data from ActivityPub, you consume none of theirs. You are creating a walled garden for them that makes it harder for Threads users to leave.
It’s about the principal of throwing out our own principals because we hate someone!
Someone failed ethics class really hard.
This critique of “user choice means that every instance should try and be as open as possible and try and federate with as many compatible entities as possible, so that any user, from any instance, might find and interact with content from everywhere” is as valid for instances blocking Threads as it is for blocking instances for allowing hate speech and bot-boosted corporate ads.
Personally, I prefer those to be blocked and have “user choice” mean users choosing to participate and promote the instances they believe are more useful, because my “user choice” is “I don’t want all kinds of bullshit to arrive unfiltered at my feed”.
So many people here are acting like lions, jaguars, attack zebras etc don’t exist. There is no way on this earth that meta is coming into the fediverse with good intentions. Just because we advocate for FOSS doesn’t mean we have to be foolish and vulnerable. Being closed to meta is consistent with being supportive of FOSS, because make no mistake, meta is here to kill the fediverse.
relevant xkcd my friend ;) The fediverse is still open.
You just sounded like:
You don’t allow nazi clubs in your area? Ah hah! Gotcha! So much for the “tolerant left”!
🙄
Seriously, why are there so many people ignorant of the damage Facebook has done not only to social media, but to democracy as a whole? You’re aware of Facebooks role in Trump’s election in 2016, aren’t you? Haven’t you heard of Cambridge Analytica? Of the Russian troll farms? Of the millions of fake Republican Facebook accounts?
(Sometimes I wonder: Is Lemmy getting filled with shills, or are people THAT clueless? Has the pandemic suddenly affected our long term memory or something?)
How can you not know about this? Seriously!
Yes, I’m aware. Fediverse also has nazis, they’re everywhere. I can put on my big boy pants and block them as I see them, instead of an admin doing collateral damage and preventing from talking to all the other people who won’t leave Threads.
. I can put on my big boy pants and block them as I see them, instead of an admin doing collateral damage and preventing
Okay first, you have no fucking idea how online harassment works. I’ve seen numerous cases of people being attacked, even doxxed, hy hordes of assholes. Imagine a single mother who can barely have time to work and attend their children, to deal with this shit. And you know? It happens ALL THE TIME to BIPOC users on the fedi.
“Hey, the nazis are invading Poland, why aren’t you on the frontlines carrying your gun?” As if there wasn no such thing as innocent CIVILIANS. In a world where speaking up is punished by dogpiling, harassing and doxxing, people just prefer to flee because their admins don’t do shit to defend them. Ask ANY Black person on Mastodon what it’s like to be harassed online.
Second, forcing people deal with the problems of harassment puts the burden of blocking on the end user. (From another POV, it’s the e-mail spam problem if you think about it. Dogpiling is a social form of DDOSing someone, and there’s no way to prevent it except by mass blocking the source of the attacks.
Letting an instance admin defederate from a problematic instance protects ALL the admin’s users with minimal effort on their part. If a threads user is defederated they can as well switch to another instance, nobody stops them.
Are they not happy with how their instance is treated? Demand changes to the instance, after all they paid for it, didn’t they? Oh they didn’t? Then who’s finacing and controlling it then?
Consider defederation the invisible hand of the market turned visible.
Defederation is NOT damage. On the other hand, people suffering emotional distress from harassment IS damage.
Yeah, can’t expect people in power not to use it to further their agenda.
shrugal@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It’s pretty logical actually: The advocates of openness must be closed to one thing, and that is whatever aims to destroy openness itself.
spudwart@spudwart.com 1 year ago
Social Contract.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Exactly.