Let them go back to a walled garden. They weren’t going to migrate away. Reddit went to shit when it went mainstream.
Comment on Lemmy.world Should Defederate with Threads
rglullis@communick.news 1 year ago
The Facebook hatred is understandable and justified, but defederating with Threads is a misguided idea:
- Federation is not required for them to be able to pull the data. Even if you block an instance, they can still pull whatever they want.
- By closing down with Threads, you’ll be basically guaranteeing that that all the millions of people that are there will never be able to migrate away.
- By getting major (current) instances to defederate with Threads, it gets easier for Threads to just say “hey, we tried to be open but they still rejected us, so we are just going to go back to our walled garden.”
LastoftheDinosaurs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
yes, very misguided. I always loved the idea of browsing “All” and see all top brands with millions of engagement promoting their products
themusicman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I thought users could block instances now?
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.
So yes but not exactly. It’s not as effective as you would think that an instance block would be if it doesn’t block the users. That’s not even addressing the fact that Lemmy’s blocking isn’t even really blocking it’s more along the lines of muting, it’s just named blocking.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 year ago
AP does not allow for the pushing of ads.
gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
that’s irrelevant. Nothing prevents the influencers to promote their products as they do in all the popular platforms. You’re thinking only in terms of ads as coming from an ad server but this is not necessarily the case.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 year ago
that’s irrelevant
You’re complaining about ads that are being pushed on you by an algorithm from ad companies. I’m telling you there are no ad companies. Seems relevant.
Nothing prevents the influencers to promote their products as they do in all the popular platforms.
Nothing prevents them from doing that right now.
freebee@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
They’ll try to dominate the way the protocols evolve. Try to push more and more crap into it because they’re too big to ignore. Insert becoming ad, bot, corporate friendlier stuff. Fediverse doesn’t need meta. It’s nice and cosy and rather friendly here, I’ld like it to stay that way. It’s like Google dominates some “open source” and pushes browsers towards more and more DRM friendly etc. We don’t need that.
rglullis@communick.news 1 year ago
It’s nice and cosy and rather friendly here
And absolutely irrelevant in terms of impact. We have at best a few hundred MAU on a good month. Facebook/Google/TikTok are controlling billions of people.
If we truly believe in the superiority of the Fediverse and that it is possible to have an alternative social media for everyone, we need to go and fight Big Tech. Defederating on the grounds of “I like it the way it is” is coward, selfish and completely lacking ambition.
lazerCovenant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
we need to go and fight Big Tech.
Fight them by…doing exactly what they want?
rglullis@communick.news 1 year ago
Do they want us to let them federate so that their users can use Threads as a stepping stone out of the walled gardens?
Microw@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That’s not dependent on federating at all. Meta is a member of W3C, they can be a part of developing and evolving ActivityPub at any point without actively running a service with it.
PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Doesn’t defederating just mean they can see our content but won’t see theirs? At least it was like this few months before. Now if this is true we would lock ourselves out of the discussion while they could still do anything they wan’t with our content.
sour@kbin.social 1 year ago
am get off reddit without federation
when were you supposed to be responsible for others independent actions
rglullis@communick.news 1 year ago
That’s the thing: actions from other users and from the key players are not “independent”. It is a social network, actions and reactions depend on the context and the relationships of everyone involved.
newcockroach@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Buddy i am here to avoid the lizardman and dont want him anywhere near me. Free software always has been an alternative to corprates and never a replacement. In the name of evangalic fediverse we should not give up our freedom. And above all this whill become like the trade agreement between Hati and the US.
bamboo@lemm.ee 1 year ago
As far as free software goes, how does running free software on your own server that you allow others to communicate with using established standard protocols violate your freedom? Not saying you shouldn’t be able to be selective about federation, but why would Facebook specifically being one of the peers violate your freedom?
newcockroach@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I know that facebook will not rip you off your freedom just as windows wont stop you from removing or uing your computer. None the the less they will have significamt impact on the fediverse for good or bad and their influence might affect in someway we cannot predict.