Comment on Mastodon founder touts Threads' federation, saying it makes his X rival 'a far more attractive option'

Steve@communick.news ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• neveraskedforthis@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Embrace Extend Extinguish*

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s what I was thinking of!

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• kpw@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It only works if people stop using Mastodon once Threads stops federating. ActivityPub is dead they will say.

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  • SamXavia@kbin.run ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah and I'm not going to stop using my instance I love it to much, Maybe I will boot up my own personal one if anything. Just glad more people will hopefully understand and can use the Fediverse

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    • kpw@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      When the big corporations leave people just need to reist the "oh the user numbers are so small now, the Fediverse must be outdated" fallacy. Just like XMPP. Still works great, we just need people to use it instead of the silos which are popular now.

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      • 567PrimeMover@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        People need to reject the idea that "bigger number = better service". The big players like that line of thinking because it cements their role of dominance and discourages competition. The fediverse will never be as big as Meta and it's all the better for it. IDK about others but I prefer a small, active userbase with interests similar to my own over an ocean of crap

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• 0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You can't really Embrace, Extend, Extinguish an open standard. Anybody can continue to use the unextended version and that's exactly what would happen if Meta tried it. They can't force servers to update or implement meta-specific features

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  • Adanisi@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just like how Google couldn’t EEE XMPP?

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    • 0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No it doesn't because you can't extinguish a publically available standard when anybody can write their own software. XMPP is the horror story used to warn about EEE, but it still exists. The fediverse is a small network right now. If Meta tried to EEE it, server admins who don't want to participate in a Meta-controlled network would not implement Meta's extensions. The network would splinter into a Meta-fediverse and the actual fediverse, which would be smaller than it is now but still exist as a free and open network that could continue to grow.

      They can't turn off our servers, or force us to implement their tech, or stop us from implementing freedom/privacy preserving features.

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      • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It “still exists” but user adoption is basically zero, which is the opposite goal of open standards.

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• mojo@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They don’t need to do that when the fedi is a thousandth of the size of their social networks lol. It’s hilarious that you think they need our user base.

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They don’t care about the user base we have today. They want to eliminate the potential user base we may have in a decade.

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  • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s not so much about wanting this user base as it is eliminating potential competition and maybe stamping out a place on the internet where people can freely and openly communicate.

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    • 0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Implementing ActivityPub at their scale costs way more than allowing a drop-in-the-bucket network to go on existing. The fediverse is not really competition for them

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    • mindgoblin7@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      100%

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