Comment on Politically-engaged Redditors tend to be more toxic -- even in non-political subreddits

• franklin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just saying things “as a test” is indistinguishable for defending it online. Things like body language, tone and intent do not come across as easily.

  That being said toxic people exist everywhere on the internet it’s a flaw in our biology, we haven’t adapted to communicating this way yet.

  That being said there’s a difference between a bad take like your above examples and condoning oppression and marginalization as some political groups have done online.

  One deserves to be defended with vigor.

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  • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just saying things “as a test” is indistinguishable from defending it online.

    Yes this is why it works as a test.

    That being said there’s a difference between a bad take like your above examples

    Only one of my statements is an opinion. The others are objective facts that make people sad.

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    • franklin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Testing people like that is not a great if your looking to dissect a viewpoint sounds more like being inflammatory, especially with your word choice.

      Opinions can be bad takes. See > your examples.

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      • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I express exactly one opinion there, and it isn’t a “take” at all.

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• Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The Linux thing, I doubt you’ll get toxic comments. You’ll probably get comments asking why to try to help, though that can always come off as demeaning. If you say Linux is bad, that’s different. You’ll likely get a lot of comments explaining why that isn’t true and that it’s a pretty ignorant take.

  For the other comments, “piracy is theft” is, again, an objective statement, not a value judgement. Saying that is to say people who disagree are wrong. Same with the YouTube one. Change “good” to “useful” would probably be better way to say it.

  There’s a difference between comments that judge other people (which will likely get a strong response) and comments that judge the subject. It’s something people frequently fail with. Even if it’s worded well, people will often take judging something they agree with as an attack on their character, which is also not useful. Humans aren’t logical beings.

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  • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Saying that is to say people who disagree are wrong.

    They are wrong. People putting their own values (“I’m not a thief!”) into an objective statement are the people who are incorrect. You can justify piracy, but it is literally always a form of stealing. People here are very pro-piracy and, cool, so am I, but it’s stealing.

    Point conceded on the YouTube thing tho, it’s inexcusable to be loose with my language in a post I’m using as an example.

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    • homicidalrobot@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Copying is not theft. When you steal, you leave one less left.

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      • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes I’ve gone around this little carousel many times with people trying to justify it for themselves. You don’t need to justify anything to me. I’m not your dad.

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      • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Like not paying for a haircut if the stylist didn’t have any customer at that time anyway. It’s a victimless crime!

        (Btw I have a large Plex server. So yeah, I’m a hypocrite.)

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    • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t totally disagree, but I don’t agree either. Saying there isn’t a semantic argument to be had is terribly ignorant. If you own a car and I take it, sure that’s theft. If you own a car and I take a picture of it, that isn’t theft. I created something new that didn’t effect the thing you own.

      In the same way, creating a copy of bits of data does not effect the original item someone owns. It does not remove anything from them. If you’re not taking anything from them, how can it be theft? Theft requires something to be taken.

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      • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I have near-zero interest in this conversation, but one can absolutely steal a service. You’re taking from them because to consume the product you were expected to pay, and their entire infrastructure revolves around that.

        How you feel about it is your business, but it is very cut and dry.

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