Considering the musk fanboys still pretend that tesla were the saviors of automobiles (because they marketed hybrids to death and overinflated their range so that other companies couldn’t compete on paper until recently) and all the insanity and revisionist history regarding spacex (even self landing rockets wasn’t an innovation…): Yeah
Because at the time when people might not be fully tribalized? The only voices who can actually speak to a cybertruck are, at worse, people like MKBHD who will say “I had some concerns and it is still a bit weird, but overall I love it”.
So by the time critical outlets that don’t have to worry about keeping good terms with The Emerald Apartheid get a hold of it? Everyone will have already made up their minds and all other information is “fake news” or “people who are pissy they didn’t get a free truck”
and all the insanity and revisionist history regarding spacex (even self landing rockets wasn’t an innovation…)
Uhh, what? The Falcon 9 literally made history due to being the first orbital rocket to successfully go thru re-entry and land. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9_flight_20
I agree with all your other points, but no need to discount SpaceX’s accomplishments just because Musk is an incompetent man child. Plenty of highly talented scientists and engineers work there, they can’t help it that their boss sucks ass, though. It’s not like he’s the one designing and engineering the rockets (but he’s surely the one claiming credit for all the work).
Tesla while not a lone savior of the EV market, did do a few things right, they showed that the EV concept could actually replace a car, and that you didn’t have to sacrifice styling or performance.
They also showed other manufacturers that there was a demand for EVs
Other manufacturers would have done the same in time, but Tesla did it first.
Space Karen’s contribution to Tesla’s success can obviously discussed…
I’m sorry, are you saying that Falcon 9 wasn’t the first orbital class landable booster? Because I must’ve missed something important in space history.
Unless you’re talking about the Space Shuttle orbiter, which yes, is an astonishing piece of technology (and not a booster). But it’s not economically viable (or safe for humans) like Falcon is.
Please don’t let your (completely reasonable) hate for Musk cloud reality - SpaceX has the absolutely best rocket in the world, at a mathematically provable level.
Did the maths back in the days when the Roadster was new: You could do Hamburg<->Berlin on one charge but you’d be sharing a lane with trucks and Pandas. Or you could drive fast, charge in the middle, and lose all the time you gained by driving at a speed necessarily to not look like an utter fool. See Pandas have an excuse for hanging out with trucks: They’re not roadsters. They’re barely even cars.
I guess the maths are different in the US where there’s simply no road on which it would be legal to drive 200km/h.
There is no clause regarding lending it to just about anybody who’s asking, so reviewers will get their hands on one regardless.
Though the actually vetted reviewers like mkbhd who then fail to get amazed despite trying really hard actually paint a better picture for me than a known skeptic shittalking it.
Nobody is throwing down 80k without being a Believer in tesla inc. Which limits the kinds of outlets that would be given access to the ridiculously limited number of units out there. Again, when we have to look to MKBHD* as one of the best sources for a musk-related product… holy shit
But also? A big selling point of the cybertruck is its durability (so bullet proof that you’ll feel like a world war 1 tanker when someone pulls a glock on you!). tesla inc already fucked up with their initial demo. There is zero chance they are letting outlets test any of that.
Because, in their prime, Offline TV is a youtube channel that bought a fucking boston dynamics dog for three videos. It is not at all a stretch for the latest twitch sensation to buy one to take a baseball bat to. Or for some of the “car channels” to buy one for their own testing. Or for the “maker” youtubers to buy one to go full Mythbusters on that shit. And no, I don’t mean “low rigor scientific exploration” so much as “let’s shoot that fucking thing”
*: For the record, I actually like Marques a lot and used his channel extensively when I finally decided to spend more than a hundred bucks on an android tablet (totally worth it). And even his love letter to tesla solar panels is actually a good video. But he is not going to be critical in a way that will prevent him from having this kind of access in the future.
Doesn’t sound like something someone who’s confident in their product would do. Either way, still doesn’t stop anyone from lending it out for reviewers.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
This is 100% a scare tactic to avoid letting un-vetted reviewers have access.
WhyYesZoidberg@lemmy.world 9 months ago
And that’s how you build long term customer trust, right? right!?
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Considering the musk fanboys still pretend that tesla were the saviors of automobiles (because they marketed hybrids to death and overinflated their range so that other companies couldn’t compete on paper until recently) and all the insanity and revisionist history regarding spacex (even self landing rockets wasn’t an innovation…): Yeah
Because at the time when people might not be fully tribalized? The only voices who can actually speak to a cybertruck are, at worse, people like MKBHD who will say “I had some concerns and it is still a bit weird, but overall I love it”.
So by the time critical outlets that don’t have to worry about keeping good terms with The Emerald Apartheid get a hold of it? Everyone will have already made up their minds and all other information is “fake news” or “people who are pissy they didn’t get a free truck”
bassomitron@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Uhh, what? The Falcon 9 literally made history due to being the first orbital rocket to successfully go thru re-entry and land. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9_flight_20
I agree with all your other points, but no need to discount SpaceX’s accomplishments just because Musk is an incompetent man child. Plenty of highly talented scientists and engineers work there, they can’t help it that their boss sucks ass, though. It’s not like he’s the one designing and engineering the rockets (but he’s surely the one claiming credit for all the work).
stoy@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Tesla while not a lone savior of the EV market, did do a few things right, they showed that the EV concept could actually replace a car, and that you didn’t have to sacrifice styling or performance.
They also showed other manufacturers that there was a demand for EVs
Other manufacturers would have done the same in time, but Tesla did it first.
Space Karen’s contribution to Tesla’s success can obviously discussed…
pennomi@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’m sorry, are you saying that Falcon 9 wasn’t the first orbital class landable booster? Because I must’ve missed something important in space history.
Unless you’re talking about the Space Shuttle orbiter, which yes, is an astonishing piece of technology (and not a booster). But it’s not economically viable (or safe for humans) like Falcon is.
Please don’t let your (completely reasonable) hate for Musk cloud reality - SpaceX has the absolutely best rocket in the world, at a mathematically provable level.
barsoap@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Did the maths back in the days when the Roadster was new: You could do Hamburg<->Berlin on one charge but you’d be sharing a lane with trucks and Pandas. Or you could drive fast, charge in the middle, and lose all the time you gained by driving at a speed necessarily to not look like an utter fool. See Pandas have an excuse for hanging out with trucks: They’re not roadsters. They’re barely even cars.
I guess the maths are different in the US where there’s simply no road on which it would be legal to drive 200km/h.
ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s just like the Barr memo. It streamlines the propaganda and muddies the ability to debunk.
Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 9 months ago
And if there’s one thing xitter has taught us, it’s that Elon owns the long game
viking@infosec.pub 9 months ago
There is no clause regarding lending it to just about anybody who’s asking, so reviewers will get their hands on one regardless.
Though the actually vetted reviewers like mkbhd who then fail to get amazed despite trying really hard actually paint a better picture for me than a known skeptic shittalking it.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Nobody is throwing down 80k without being a Believer in tesla inc. Which limits the kinds of outlets that would be given access to the ridiculously limited number of units out there. Again, when we have to look to MKBHD* as one of the best sources for a musk-related product… holy shit
But also? A big selling point of the cybertruck is its durability (so bullet proof that you’ll feel like a world war 1 tanker when someone pulls a glock on you!). tesla inc already fucked up with their initial demo. There is zero chance they are letting outlets test any of that.
Because, in their prime, Offline TV is a youtube channel that bought a fucking boston dynamics dog for three videos. It is not at all a stretch for the latest twitch sensation to buy one to take a baseball bat to. Or for some of the “car channels” to buy one for their own testing. Or for the “maker” youtubers to buy one to go full Mythbusters on that shit. And no, I don’t mean “low rigor scientific exploration” so much as “let’s shoot that fucking thing”
*: For the record, I actually like Marques a lot and used his channel extensively when I finally decided to spend more than a hundred bucks on an android tablet (totally worth it). And even his love letter to tesla solar panels is actually a good video. But he is not going to be critical in a way that will prevent him from having this kind of access in the future.
stoy@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Seems like a crap tactic though, someone could easily lend it or rent it out to another reviewer.
jonne@infosec.pub 9 months ago
Doesn’t sound like something someone who’s confident in their product would do. Either way, still doesn’t stop anyone from lending it out for reviewers.