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rosymind@leminal.space ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I understand your frustration, and also the need to come across as condescending. You’re probably the downvote on my comment. You want to punish me, don’t you?

See, that feeling you are feeling… that frustration. It isn’t unique to you.

The primary driver in fascism is emotion. Fear, anger, frustration. Stong human emotion that lead to feeling like other people are lesser than yourself. The bad guy. The evil one. The ones that must be stopped.

Those strong feelings and the desire to shush the words of the other are exactly the kinds of things that lead to extremes.

Having strong feelings toward other people are as natural and normal as homosexuality.

When I say inclusion, I’m not talking about inviting the Nazi to roast the Jew at dinner. I’m talking about inviting everyone, Jew, Christian, Atheist, Hindu, Muslim, everyone, to dinner and giving each a timer to talk.

It sounds hokey as fuck, but we need to learn to love each other as we love ourselves. Only then, can Nazi’s cease to exist. If you repress people, it only makes the hate stronger.

Anyway, there is a portion of the population that is incapable of what I mentioned above. For them, there is no cure. For them, they must be watched. If -and only if- they cause harm to others, then they need to be jailed to protect everyone else. But… I believe they’re (thankfully) rare. For everyone else, there’s hope

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mindbleach@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
‘Here is why you are objectively wrong.’

'I’m sorry you feel that way. ’

Stop talking.

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- rosymind@leminal.space ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You are just as entitled to your opinion as I am, and I won’t be silenced by you, or anyone else for that matter.
  
  You can stomp your feet and whine all you want to. I wouldn’t even try to stop you even if I could. You know why?
  
  Just because I disagree with you, doesn’t mean I wouldn’t defend your right to disagree with me. Hate me if you want to, it’s your right as a human being to feel however it is that you will feel
  
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  - mindbleach@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Nobody said you can’t speak, jackass. People are telling you why should stop saying dumb shit.
    
    Your response to “shut up” shouldn’t be the same as an actual stomping-and-whining child, going “make me!” like it’s a matter of ability.
    
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    rosymind@leminal.space ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Ok, toddler
    
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rainynight65@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I understand your frustration, and also the need to come across as condescending. You’re probably the downvote on my comment. You want to punish me, don’t you?

I did not downvote you, and I don’t want to punish you, so there is no need to give me a lecture.

If -and only if- they cause harm to others, then they need to be jailed to protect everyone else.

You do not understand that by the time they’re causing harm to others, it’s too late. By then you’ve let them do their thing long enough that they feel strengthened, emboldened and justified. And that time has passed. It passed when they invaded the Capitol on 6th January 2021. It passed when the Neonazi ploughed his car into the crowds in Charlottesville. It passed when Neonazis firebombed asylum seeker homes in Germany 30 years ago. Fascists and Nazis are actively doing harm, everywhere in the world. This is what they’re here for. And society has failed to stop them. They’re here to stay now.

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- rosymind@leminal.space ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’m not lecturing you, I apologize if it seemed that way. What I was trying to do is allow you to recognize that your own biases, to help explain why people jump on the fascist boat
  
  I’m not gonna continue arguing, because it seems like you’re upset. I just hope that you can remember thenold adage: you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar
  
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  - rainynight65@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Damn straight I’m upset. I’m upset, no, fuming, that people seem to think fascists are just naughty kids who you let be and watch, and only when they do something really wrong do you take action. I’m upset that nobody seems to have learned the lessons history is so readily and urgently trying to teach us. I’m upset that we are sleepwalking into another era of fascism and people seem to want it that way.
    
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    rosymind@leminal.space ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    And you have a right to be upset. It’s good that you’re voicing that opinion, it’s good that you’re standing up for what you believe in. The more voices there are that speak up about injustice, the better!
    
    I wonder if this all sounds contradictory to the person you may think you were debating/arguing with, but it’s not. Having voices heard is part of what I believe in. It’s just that I don’t think silencing opposing voices (no matter what garbage they spew) is the right way to go
    
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