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Comment on Elon Musk’s Grok Twitter AI Is Actually ‘Woke,’ Hilarity Ensues

Let me preface by saying that I myself am not making a political statement, just a quick retort/correction:

“…Seems they [biologists] have achieved something like a consensus on the matter [trans women are women]. I don’t see anything inherently political”

No, that’s not a scientific statement, it’s a sociological one, which makes it intrinsically political.

We, as a society, or a large enough group, can come up with a consensus belief that trans rights are human rights and that we can collectively treat other people by the gender role of their choice.

But biologically speaking, being trans doesn’t change ones chromosomes. Which is why I think it’s misguided to say that trans issues are actually questions that hard science can answer, they aren’t.

Which, ironically, is why Elon’s latest moronic gambit is failing (by his metrics), because the online culture he used to as a dataset to train it, has collectively agreed that trans women are women.

He probably should have trained it with TruthSocial’s cesspool instead.

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Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Sociology is a social science.

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Pulptastic@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I mean, science is a framework that can be applied to anything. Sociology included. So we can’t currently measure a genetic cause for trans. I guess that means our current best measurement is what gender people associate with, what they personally feel is right. That also happens to be the best path towards not being a dick to people who feel like their gender does not match their “biological” gender.

If and when we can improve our measurements of this maybe we’ll learn something new. Maybe we can learn what components of nature and nurture lead to gender disphoria. Then we can try to further improve quality of life for affected folks.

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grumpycactus@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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- circuscritic@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Alright, you convinced me. I’m switching to Team Elmo.
  
  That was your goal right? Take someone who agrees with your larger belief system, find something you can nitpick, and then berate them about it until they can’t stomach the thought of politically aligning with you.
  
  Because you’re did a bang up job.
  
  Now excuse me, I need to go sign up for Twitter Blue and get some MAGA hats.
  
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- jmp242@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’d argue that it’s pretty obvious that man and woman are socially constructed, and as such - there’s just no fact of the matter to get down to. I also find that most things of strict self-id basically become just a place to have “no true scotsman” arguments, and therefore we’d be better served to stop using the terms for policy making at the very least.
  
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- raptir@lemdro.id ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The person you’re replying to doesn’t seem to be implying anything you’re arguing against in your response.
  
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  - grumpycactus@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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    raptir@lemdro.id ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    They’re saying chromosomes are a good measure for “transness” or “cisness”.
    
    No, they’re not. They’re saying that because a person’s chromosomes don’t change based on whether they are trans or cis that a clear biological answer to the question being posed is impossible.
    
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fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Fun fact, chromosomes aren’t the whole story when it comes to the way a person’s body develops and isn’t a useful measure of what someone’s gender is in any form. There are plenty of women that aren’t trans with xy chromosomes and vice versa with men. See swyer and de la Chapelle syndromes for more information. There are all sorts of combinations of chromosomes someone can have and we aren’t anywhere limited to just xx or xy.

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