Comment on Top 50 defederated instances

Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• winterayars@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Places like Lemmygrad and Hexbear are actually pretty benign. They’re just on the verge of being acceptable to people so they make a lot of noise and cause a lot of drama but in terms of the actual bad actors… well, as you can see, they don’t even rate.

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  • neidu@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Agreed. While I tend to disagree with most of viewpoints coming from lemmygrad, at least the content is posted with benign intent. The room might stink, but nobody intentionally shat on the floor to piss people off.

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    • lemann@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The room might stink, but nobody intentionally shat on the floor.

      I like this figure of speech a lot, stealing it 😁

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  • Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Meh, I don’t really find the open mass murder fetish benign at all. I don’t care what color your fash is, it’s still abhorrent.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I guess it’s slightly better that they’re mostly honest deniers instead of “they had it coming” types.

      I think. I personally find it refreshing in small doses to deal with people that actually know what the fuck they’re talking about in terms of political theory, some of the shit .world users say is…

      Upsetting, intellectually.

      Of course, so is talking to a genuine Stalinist.

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      • Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        My experience with hexbear has been pretty fucking far from them knowing political theory, outside of one very specific niche they can kind of articulate as long as you don’t ask them to reduce any of it to fundamentals or first principles.

        As far as I can tell, their one trick is quoting books they haven’t actually read, assuming nobody else has read them either. I’ve literally had this same interaction three or four times at this point, over books which don’t say the things they think they say. Like multiple people arguing that some Chomsky work supports their orthodox ML theory.

        You can literally get them to argue against the works they are trying cite. It’s amusing for a bit, but then it’s just sad.

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• smeg@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think this highlights what people think when they hear “defederating” vs its actual purpose. It’s controversial when it’s between serious instances that people actually use but with wildly incompatible opinions, but there’s very few objections when it’s blocking CSAM!

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  • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Okay, yeah this was my thought as I wrote this, I won’t deny it. But to be fair, LemmyGrad does more than just to be controversial. They provoke and brigade and justify terrible Crimes against Humanity. And I might bet that some of the Stuff they say could even be illegal here in Germany.

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    • smeg@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I imagine most of the big servers have them blocked but it’s probably the individual servers that make up the majority of the numbers. If you’re self-hosting then you can just ignore instances you don’t like and be relatively confident they won’t hassle you. The other kind though, probably want to preempt them!

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    • Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It is trivially easy to find examples of them wanting to nuke the US or kill all liberals or defending Soviet and Chinese pogroms, etc. I don’t understand how that’s really any different from saying “kill all Jews” or advocating for slavery tbh. As far as I can tell, the line exists because edgy redfash are mostly marginalized so nobody takes them seriously?

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  • SlikPikker@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’d imaging its fur and anime, not CSAM.

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    • TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Fur, anime, and CSAM have a not so insignificant overlap of members sometimes, sadly.

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    • smeg@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Judging from some of the other comments in this thread I’m not so sure

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• deleted@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think lemmygrad isn’t that bad considering pedo.school is halfway through the list.

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  • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    True, but LemmyGrad can be wild too. I met one who claimed being Homosexual is imperialistic. lemmy.world/post/4494303

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    • FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ah yes the urge to kiss boys and conquer territory

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      • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Image

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      • Facebones@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Conquer that ass booiiiii

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    • Arelin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Isn’t that a .world user? Lemmygrad doesn’t allow homophobes as a rule.

      Being gay and imperialist is a hilarious thought though lol

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      • Justas@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        When you are a queen but want to be THE Queen.

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    • TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Lemmygrad and Hexbear most definitely do not tolerate homophobia, though, so I don’t think that user would’ve lasted long there if they were a lemmygrad user.

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    • winterayars@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I mean that’s a very wacky and stupid opinion but go on any one of those servers in that list and you’ll probably see much, much worse things being claimed about gay people and not just by one person.

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• Arelin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I bet a large part of the Fediverse are Communist/Socialist too, or have similar ideas. Lemmy’s devs are, after all.

  I mean, the whole thing is based on the idea of being free to use for everyone.

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  • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I see your Point. I see myself also as rather left. But the People over at Lemmygrad are not really left imo. They are authoritarian, for sure. But left? I don’t know. I don’t want to claim to be the sole “Incarnation of leftism” it’s just that many of my views and beliefs are the opposite of theirs.

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    • Arelin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Being vehemently against racism and fascism is left. It’s the logical extreme opposite of “a certain group of people are superior to everyone else”: “everyone is equal and their basic necessities should be provided for free”

      You just seem to disagree with the folks over on grad and Lemmy devs on how that can be achieved, and maybe to what extent it should be. They believe an authority is necessary to enforce those rules, or you get corporations and billionaires steering the government to wage wars for profit from oil, materials etc. like what’s happening now.

      Personally, I see being pro-China like they are on grad as much less worrying than being pro-US, the latter of which I have a feeling .world mods wouldn’t block because of their western bias. Only one of the two countries have constantly invaded other countries for their resources and overthrown democratically elected foreign governments to replace them with military dictatorships.

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      • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Only one of the two have constantly invaded other countries

        The People of Tibet might disagree there. But this is a discussion for another Time.

        I’m not pro US either, tho. I just call out evil when I see it. And that’s my Problem with Lemygrad. They seem to believe there are only two sides. I can say America does bad things and China, Russia etc. does bad things. They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done. And that’s not how we come forward. Evil is Evil is Evil. No matter who does it.

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      • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I would say pro Putin people can’t be called leftists they are nazis in red.

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    • JJROKCZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The spectrum is more than left and right, I know political compass memes on Reddit got taken over by nazis but there is legitimately a whole compass. Stalin is somewhat center left, nudist hippie communes are lower left corner

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    • winterayars@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There is, for better or worse, authoritarianism on the left. “You will be fed and given a place to stay and personal safety… or else!” Even in its more benign forms (ex Bolshevism) it’s kinda bad imo. When it gets extreme it gets… well… being an English speaker i’m sure you’ve heard all about it.

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      • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Not really, but I’m actually not a native English speaker tho 😅

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      • Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Bolshevism is pretty fucking far from benign considering it is the origin of authoritarian leftistism.

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• kpw@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Probably they don't disturb the large number of Mastodon instances.

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  • Kierunkowy74@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Lemmy is not able to disturb Mastodon as much as other microblogging instances.

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• Kierunkowy74@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Nobody on a Lemmy instance is able to follow accounts (like on Mastodon or /kbin). Thus, Lemmy will not fetch anything from Mastodon unless written specifically to a threadiverse community (and the community being CCed). Because of this, Lemmy instance are less harmful, than (potentially) any microblogging server (be it Mastodon, Pleroma, Soapbox, *key, etc.)

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