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Maeve@kbin.social 11 months ago
Can you please provide urls to posts saying hamas are good guys?
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Maeve@kbin.social 11 months ago
One post, and refer to my “what are Palestinians to do” comment.
Thanks for the link.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 11 months ago
How many posts is enough posts?
Maeve@kbin.social 11 months ago
Are you really so desperate for attention or just that young?
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi.
Maeve@kbin.social 11 months ago
I really don’t know, but I’d imagine as with most elections in most nations, there’s a decent mix?
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi, that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.
If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Anyone saying they’re the bad guys is armchair quarterback-ing a people’s fight against annihilation.
If YOUR people lived in a militarily patrolled, constantly surveilled, walled off piece of your former homeland, from which you couldn’t leave to go visit a hospital without your oppressor’s army’s approval, and that same army tried to calculate food rations to keep you only just above starvation to keep you passive, and could arrest without cause and indefinitely hold you….would you really say that a group of your people were wrong for lashing out? Now on top of that, the civilian populace can be given permission by that same government to take arms and evict you and your family from your ancestral home. Are you wrong for lashing out?
What a fucking joke.
bytheway@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Raping women and little girls isn’t “lashing out” or “taking arms”. Neither is murdering children. Israel’s treatment of Palestinians has been, and still is, abhorrent. But let’s not pretend that rape and child murder are a necessary part of struggle against oppression. Hamas aren’t the only bad guys, but they’re definitely bad guys.
4am@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I don’t think anyone is contesting that.
But I think when people say things like “what did you expect to happen [given the Palestinians material conditions]” or even “not all Palestinians are Hamas” all they hear is “Jews bad! America bad!” Because, basically, they’re programmed to.
bartolomeo@suppo.fi 11 months ago
How do you expect Palestinian armed resistance to occupation to look?
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not like that??? You can resist without committing completely unrelated warcrimes!
Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 11 months ago
This is soft selling war crimes. Shame on you.
metaStatic@kbin.social 11 months ago
All war is crime.
The real question is can an occupying force claim self defence?
awwwyissss@lemm.ee 11 months ago
i agree with the general point, but calling people at a music festival an occupying force seems disingenuous.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 11 months ago
You’re an idiot.
duffman@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Which nation should the occupiers return to?
Maeve@kbin.social 11 months ago
That’s a whole other discussion, but what are the Palestinian people to do under an illegal occupation that aims for genocide? That said, Palestinians are not Hamas, and Israel did a lot to support Hamas to thwart the Palestinian Authority. The history is long and complicated, but I just asked for links, since I have not seen those posts.
bartolomeo@suppo.fi 11 months ago
Right. Why not peacefully protest? I’m pretty sure that the desperation needed to throw a rock at a tank is incomprehensible to entitled Americans who have never missed a meal out of necessity. There is very little real support for the Palestinian genocide, but a strong false narrative. This article has some descriptions of the day to day struggle of Palestinians living under apartheid.
jimbo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They’re bad guys because they murdered a bunch of families and young people minding their own business. They’re bad guys for knowingly bringing the wrath of the Israeli military down on Gaza. They’re bad guys for using money given to them by Israel and other nations to do those things instead of helping Gazans.
Note that I’m calling them “bad guys”, not “the bad guys”, because they don’t hold the monopoly on being bad. The IDF are also bad guys for their willingness to bomb buildings full of civilians for the chance of maybe killing a Hamas member.
BluesF@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Why do we have to reduce it to “good” or “bad”? They have reprehensible methods, but the fact that they exist is an inevitable consequence of the conditions that the Palestinians have been living in for decades.
The idea that Hamas and the IDF are two “sides” is itself absurd. Hamas have absolutely no chance of victory against the IDF. There is no world in which they can even compete! They are a desperate attempt to take action by a people who have been pushed to the brink.
They aren’t a side, they are a symptom. They’ve done terrible things! But those things are a consequence of the circumstances that caused Hamas to exist.
bigFab@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Chivalry is dead long ago