Humans != Cake. If you bake a cake and leave it out to rot, no one cares. Shouldn’t these same Christians care that non-aborted babies are going into a really fucked up system that will likely churn them and burn them into a for profit criminal justice system?
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BoiledRhombus@lemmy.world 11 months agoChristians don’t want to murder anyone. We don’t want anyone to go to Hell. I don’t understand why you are okay with punishing a baby with murder for your bad decisions instead of having personal responsibility. That’s pretty sickening.
Imagine putting all the ingredients together to make a cake, putting it in the oven, and getting upset that a cake is being made. It’s absolutely insane.
PennisTheMenace@lemmy.world 11 months ago
db2@lemmy.one 11 months ago
They aren’t pro-life, they’re pro-birth. They couldn’t give a shit less once that happens.
I bet the pro-birther in this post hasn’t adopted anyone. What did the bible say about hypocrites again?
BoiledRhombus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I can’t even afford a house in this economy, how am I supposed to adopt someone right now? I am happy to adopt once I get married and have my own place. Have you adopted anyone or would you just prefer murdering the children instead?
Scew@lemmy.world 11 months ago
False Dichotomy: The message presents only two options: either adopt someone or support the hypothetical alternative, which is framed quite negatively as ‘murdering the children’. This is a false dichotomy because there are many other potential courses of action and viewpoints someone could have on the topic in question.
Ad Hominem: The phrase “would you just prefer murdering the children instead?” is an ad hominem attack, targeting the person instead of addressing the argument or issue at hand. Ad hominem attacks are often used as a distraction technique and they are logically fallacious because they don’t actually engage with the argument itself.
Red Herring: The reference to being unable to afford a house is a red herring – it’s a point that may seem related, but it’s actually not relevant to the question of adoption. One’s ability to afford a house has no inherent connection to one’s ability or willingness to adopt a child.
Generalization Fallacy: The argument seems to assume that adoption is the only viable or morally acceptable option once a person is married and has a house. This is a generalization that does not take into account the variety of individual circumstances, opinions, and potential solutions that exist.
BoiledRhombus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yes, we do. We have hundreds of charities that are dedicated to helping said children. My favorite right now is Let Them Live. The organization works with the mother to provide food, clothing, furniture, and everything else a mother would need to take care of the baby. They also provide other money and counseling for the mother as well. They regularly check in with the women and some of the mothers even end up working in the charity to help others. letthemlive.org
I just recently found out about the Christian Alliance For Orphans who work on helping families foster and adopt orphans. They are becoming a massive network of churches dedicated to helping orphaned children. cafo.org
oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 11 months ago
Imagine putting cake batter in the oven and 5 minutes later saying it’s a cake
See also: abortion in the bible and the value the bible places on the unborn. Iirc there’s also a verse that says something about life beginning at the breath. So before you go on a crusade double check that your religion actually says what you think it does and that you’re not being manipulated/riled up by right wing media
Chickens@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart…
That the one you’re thinking of?
Belgdore@lemm.ee 11 months ago
If he knows all babies prior to birth and loses knowledge of them later for this sinful nature, then on judgement day he won’t say depart from me I never knew you. Murdering babies then is morally best thing you can do.
Taking verses out of context is fun isn’t it? Maybe speaking to a prophet is different than speaking to everyone? Maybe you should stop taking things out of context?
BoiledRhombus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’re doing the exact same thing Satan does in the Bible, this is nothing new. Jesus says He never knew people in that passage, because they used His name for their own benefit and not for His glory. People like prosperity gospel leaders who have their own congregation-paid private jet for no reason. God made it very simple for us to be saved. All people need to do is accept the free gift of salvation from Jesus, whom died a horrific, barbaric death despite doing no wrong so that we may be saved. God gives us free will to choose what we will do. If we do not wish to be with God, He honors that.
I’ve laid out 3 other verses in a separate reply that says the same thing that is said in Jeremiah. Job mentions us as being formed by God in the womb and he was no prophet. I don’t know why you’re so angry, but what you’re stating is “out of context” is incorrect.
oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 11 months ago
en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Christianity_and_abortion#Bi… i think the perspective in the allowing abortion column is stronger. If everyone’s set apart, no one is, so interpretting that passage as referring specifically to jeremiah makes way more set apart. If it meant everyone, it would be easy to change the wording, or just add “and that goes for all humans” or something. Again, an all knowing god would know a verse like that would author confusion
BoiledRhombus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.” - Psalm 139:13
“Thus says the Lord who made you, who formed you from the womb and will help you: Fear not, O Jacob my servant, Jeshurun whom I have chosen.” Isaiah 44:2
“Did not he who made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb?” Job 31:15
The Wikipedia article conveniently leaves these out. It’s very clear that God knows us before we ever existed.