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• MaxVoltage@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  yes please daddy antisocialist me harder

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• SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Social democrats*

  It’s like communism but it works, and you don’t even have to kill minorities like you do on communism.

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  • MaxVoltage@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wussss

    I AM A COMMUNIST

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  • masquenox@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    you don’t even have to kill minorities like you do on communism.

    TIL… Derek Chauvin is really a communist.

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    • SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He’s a fascist like a commie, but that’s where the similarities end

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      • masquenox@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        TIL… Derek Chauvin is a fascist. But also a communist. No, a fascist. But also… a communist.

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  • Cowbee@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why does Communism necessitate killing minorities, and why are you assuming Social Democracies haven’t killed minorities?

    Do you think tools have a mystical property that requires the owners to turn evil if they are collectively owned, rather than privately?

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    • SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why does Communism necessitate killing minorities, and why are you assuming Social Democracies haven’t killed minorities?

      Good question, let’s hope you are able to have a civil conversation!

      First of all, every communist regime has systemically killed off their minorities. Social democrat governments haven’t. I hope that clears it up. If you come across social democratic governments systematically killing minorities, let me know though.

      Do you think tools have a mystical property that requires the owners to turn evil if they are collectively owned, rather than privately?

      Like I said earlier, the underlying economic model under the fascism is irrelevant to the millions of minorities having being killed by communist regimes.

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      • Cowbee@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Every country had systemically killed off minorities.

        Show me exactly where the mystical property of tools comes in, where collective ownership turns people evil. If you can’t, then Communism does not necessitate genocide.

        It’s that simple.

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      • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s impossible to prove that somethi g doesn’t exist. Checkmate Hitler!

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      • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        At what point was there a communist country on Earth and not just a fascist dictatorship calling itself communist? When did the proles have their revolution and create government?

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• fosforus@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There are some capitalist countries that have a pretty low number of homeless people. Finland, for instance: 3,686 in 2022 (0,07% of whole population). So yeah, perhaps USA could do a lot better in this.

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  • ahnesampo@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Finland has a housing first policy. The homeless often have multiple problems that prevent them from getting a home the normal way (e.g. drug problems that cause them to get evicted). Instead of insisting people get better while homeless, they’re given homes first and treatment for their other problems after. This coupled with welfare transfers that ensure you never end up homeless just because of lack of money leads to low homeless numbers.

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  • Cowbee@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes, Finland does this precisely by rejecting Capitalism and giving homeless people homes. This is not a Capitalistic solution.

    I get what you’re saying, you can have a majority Capitalist society and still solve homelessness, but the answer will never be Capitalism.

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  • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Finland’s version of capitalism is in another universe compared to North American capitalism. Finland had UBI, rehabilitation first prisons, housing is treated more as a human right. Socialism doesn’t mean the abolition of commerce, it just removes the predatory hoodwink from the equation.

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    • fosforus@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Finland’s version of capitalism is in another universe compared to North American capitalism.

      Yeah, quite a lot more capitalistic: www.heritage.org/index/ranking

      Finland had UBI

      We have never had UBI. Only some local experiments that have ended now. Other things you said are correct though.

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