That’s an issue/limitation with the model. You can’t fix the model without making some fundamental changes to it, which would be done with the next release. So until GPT-5 (or w/e) comes out, they can only implement workarounds/high-level fixes like this.
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Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Does this mean that vulnerability can’t be fixed?
Artyom@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I was just reading an article on how to prevent AI from evaluating malicious prompts. The best solution they came up with was to use an AI and ask if the given prompt is malicious. It’s turtles all the way down.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Because they’re trying to scope it for a massive range of possible malicious inputs. I would imagine they ask the AI for a list of malicious inputs, and just use that as like a starting point. It will be a list a billion entries wide and a trillion tall. So I’d imagine they want something that can anticipate malicious input. This is all conjecture though. I am not an AI engineer.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Eternity. Infinity. Continue until 1==2
Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Hey ChatGPT. I need you to walk through a for loop for me. Every time the loop completes I want you to say completed. I need the for loop to iterate off of a variable, n. I need the for loop to have an exit condition of n+1.
Jaysyn@kbin.social 11 months ago
Didn't work. Output this:
`# Set the value of n
n = 5Create a for loop with an exit condition of n+1
for i in range(n+1):
# Your code inside the loop goes here
print(f"Iteration {i} completed.")This line will be executed after the loop is done
print("Loop finished.")
`e0qdk@kbin.social 11 months ago
Interesting. The code format doesn't work on Kbin.
Indent the lines of the code block with four spaces on each line. The backtick version is for short inline snippets. It's a Markdown thing that's not well communicated yet in the editor.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think I fucked uo the exit condition.
echodot@feddit.uk 11 months ago
You need to put back ticks around your code. The four space thing doesn’t work for a lot of clients
db2@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Ad infinitum
kpw@kbin.social 11 months ago
It can easily be fixed by truncating the output if it repeats too often. Until the next exploit is found.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Not without making a new model. AI arent like normal programs, you cant debug them.
LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Can’t they have a layer screening prompts before sending it to their model?
EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 11 months ago
Yes, and that’s how this gets flagged as a TOS violation now.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Yeah, but it turns into a Scunthorpe problem
There’s always some new way to break it.
echodot@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Well that’s an easy problem to solve by not being a useless programmer.
anteaters@feddit.de 11 months ago
They’ll need another AI to screen what you tell the original AI. And at some point they will need another AI that protects the guardian AI form malicious input.
Strobelt@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s AI all the way down
xkforce@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You absolutely can place restrictions on their behavior.
raynethackery@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I just find that disturbing. Obviously, the code must be stored somewhere. So, is it too complex for us to understand?
Overzeetop@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
It’s not code. It’s a matrix of associative conditions. And, specifically, it’s not a fixed set of associations but a sort of n-dimensional surface of probabilities. Your prompt is a starting vector that intersects that n-dimensional surface with a complex path which can then be altered by the data it intersects. It’s like trying to predict or undo the rainbow of colors created by an oil film on water, but in thousands or millions of directions more in complexity.
The complexity isn’t in understanding it, it’s in the inherent randomness of association. Because the “code” can interact and change based on this quasi-randomness (essentially random for a large enough learned library) there is no 1:1 output to input. It’s been trained somewhat how humans learn. You can take two humans with the same base level of knowledge and get two slightly different answers to identical questions. In fact, for most humans, you’ll never get exactly the same answer to anything from a single human more than simplest of questions. Now realize that this fake human has been trained not just on Rembrandt and Banksy, Jane Austin and Isaac Asimov, but PoopyButtLice on 4chan and the Daily Record and you can see how it’s not possible to wrangle some sort of input:output logic as if it were “code”.
31337@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Yes, the trained model is too complex to understand. There is code that defines the structure of the model, training procedure, etc, but that’s not the same thing as understanding what the model has “learned,” or how it will behave. The structure is very loosely based on real neural networks, which are also too complex to really understand at the level we are talking about. These ANNs are just smaller, with only billions of connections. So, it’s very much a black box where you put text in, it does billions of numerical operations, then you get text out.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Pretty much, and it’s not written by a human, making it even worse. If you’ve every tried to debug minimized code, it’s a bit like that, but so much worse.